US TC petition

[Srs]

You say that since an administrator does not "play a game" they do not understand it? Tell that to the owners of the NFL... The NBA... The NHL... The MLB... Any Motorsport... None of those owners play/participate and they create new rules quite often.

Conq does play 19's. That is all I have ever seen him on is a 19.

But we digress away from the topic at hand.
I generally do not participate in these polls we have because the largest portion of them are foolish. This one though is a a special case. The TC seeding should not be determined by arena for reasons I stated above in my opinion.

Cheerio

They don't just get to change rules willy-nilly. Think about how many times you've heard about owners going into arbitration with the player's union. There's the recent example of stadiums trying to ban tobacco use altogether. Baseball players aren't having any of it.

Anyway, we were talking about arenas. I feel like if you want to find out who the all around pvp players are, the current system is great, but you might get some different/more people if the arena people didn't have to play bgs.

 

[Dorigon]

Use of tobacco in public places has been banned in Houston for a decade. That decision has nothing to do with "sports". It is a city law/ordinance.

You're just cherrypicking a small part of his argument to try and discredit.

 

[Scope]

You're just cherrypicking a small part of his argument to try and discredit.

GET EM DORI GET EM

 

[Allybeboba]

You're just cherrypicking a small part of his argument to try and discredit.

He gave an example of how a player's Union arbitrated vs owners because of banning of tobacco use.
I gave an example of a city where it is against the law to use said tobacco products in the public. There are many cities where this is a fact. I just happened to name that one for simplicity sake.
How is that "cherry picking" a small part of his arguement when it was the only part of his arguement???
I really expect no answer to that question.

Back to arenas and 10 person team play.
Since we are using sports as analogies. Having arenas determine seeds is akin to having a freethrow shootout determine seeds for the NCAA basketball tournament. That would be ridiculous to even consider such a thing. But we are considering it the TC tournament yet again.

 

[Delayed]

Since we are using sports as analogies. Having arenas determine seeds is akin to having a freethrow shootout determine seeds for the NCAA basketball tournament. That would be ridiculous to even consider such a thing. But we are considering it the TC tournament yet again.

To see which team has better representation of skill to determine who would fair better vs each other? No clue, maybe to incorperate arena? Bc most people dislike arena. I won't lie, I can't say much as to why arena should set Wsg seeding because they do but don't have thing in common. I'd still rather see arena's set the seeding tho.

 

[Snack]

I thought that the arena seeding system, because it was the system that sucked the least. Seeding through NWL isn't really an option. Many teams who seek to participate in the TC, don't have the time to play every weekend in the NWL. Of course you might say, that the teams who dedicate most of their time to 19's should be the team with the highest seeding. But ultimately this is a community tournament, and one of it's many purposes is to develop the bracket, by creating attention, and engaging new players into our bracket. I think the arena system is decent in that way, as it makes the seeding to the TC more accesable to everyone.

 

[Snack]

Going back to the NWL determining the seeding.
Some people are stating that some teams/people either did not have time or were not around for the NWL. We can't punish the teams that were around for the NWL though.
People need to make a dedicated commitment or not, period. When I raided regularly, way back when, we asked for people to be committed. If you were not, you were cut from the roster. That is how top notch guilds work. That is how winners win! It is unfair to reward the noncommitted people.
We have three(3) months to decide TEAM seeding. I suggest we start doing that right now.
Pick a day/time for games. If people can't make it, then make a back up day/time. If they can't make then someone is going to forfeit. Play one game for seed. Quick and dirty.
Too much time is wasted on rules, streaming, chest pounding and other nonsense. If you all had listened to me six months ago the seeding would have already been taken care of by now.
Failing to plan, is planning to fail.
And right now even the seeding part of the TC is failing.

The TC '16 administration knows how to reach me if they want my consultation. They are more than welcome to it.

Good luck everyone!!

You're not punishing anyone by seeding through arena tournament. Nobody played in the NWL for the sole reason of seeding in the TC. This is about creating as much activity around the TC as possible, and we're doing that by allowing people like Kegboss to compete in the arena tournament.

Anyway, seeding through NWL is not gonna happen, so let's just drop it.

And by the way the seeding system is not failing, it's just going to happen in a different way than what you think is best.

 

[Dorigon]

He gave an example of how a player's Union arbitrated vs owners because of banning of tobacco use.
I gave an example of a city where it is against the law to use said tobacco products in the public. There are many cities where this is a fact. I just happened to name that one for simplicity sake.
How is that "cherry picking" a small part of his arguement when it was the only part of his arguement???
I really expect no answer to that question.

His argument was about the participants in competitions having a collective voice and an impact on how the games are played. He cited the power of players' unions and gave anti-tobacco ordnances as an example of a current struggle. This was all done as a comparison to the TC participants and organizers, showing that there is indeed precedent for participants to make an impact. You proceeded to go off on a tangent about Houston's city ordnances. I take back what I said earlier - you didn't even cherrypick. You went completely off the beaten path.

 

[Allybeboba]

His argument was about the participants in competitions having a collective voice and an impact on how the games are played. He cited the power of players' unions and gave anti-tobacco ordnances as an example of a current struggle. This was all done as a comparison to the TC participants and organizers, showing that there is indeed precedent for participants to make an impact. You proceeded to go off on a tangent about Houston's city ordnances. I take back what I said earlier - you didn't even cherrypick. You went completely off the beaten path.

That is quite the analysis!! WOW! I am quite taken aback. I may have underestimated you. /salute

His example was a poor one, as owners do not decide city ordinance. (Although they may skew it one way or the other through political means.) That is all I was pointing out.
That is one of the many fallicies of using analogies in a debate.

 

[Allybeboba]

Nobody played in the NWL for the sole reason of seeding in the TC.

Anyway, seeding through NWL is not gonna happen, so let's just drop it.

And by the way the seeding system is not failing, it's just going to happen in a different way than what you think is best.

By stating "nobody" I take it that you knew each and everyone's single intentions that participated in the NWL.

Seeding right now is "failing". Because, in my opinion and apparently many others, it is not being properly planned.
As I stated in the line before that statement. Failing to plan is planning to fail. Perhaps you all missed the context of my message.
It is impossible for it to be literally failing. Seeding has not happened yet. That is months away.

 

[Srs]

That is quite the analysis!! WOW! I am quite taken aback. I may have underestimated you. /salute

His example was a poor one, as owners do not decide city ordinance. (Although they may skew it one way or the other through political means.) That is all I was pointing out.
That is one of the many fallicies of using analogies in a debate.

Owners were for banning tobacco at baseball games altogether. Players are against it. Chewing tobacco is the main sticking point here, not cigarettes. Is chewing tobacco use banned in the stadium in Houston (I don't think the players are trying to smoke cigarettes on the ballfield)?

However, I don't think this discussion is really relevant anymore, unless Myrm is thinking of banning vaping on stream.

 

[Snack]

By stating "nobody" I take it that you knew each and everyone's single intentions that participated in the NWL.

Correct