Sword or Dagger as sub rogue?

[Xudam]

So iam a newly dinged 70 rogue and i wonder, should i use Backstab with daggers or Hemo spam with a Slow main hand ?

 

[Pogibija]

Dagger for backstab and 110% dmg increase for ambush dance spam. Would poison MH, cripple OH and thrown for shiv.

 

[crossaqsing]

Yea Daggers

Bis daggers is

K'J Crux of apocalypse
and the 3 socket dagger from opera (karazhan)

If im not totally mistaking

Those warglaive rogues u see do worthless dmg compared to real Bis rogues.


//Otrolig

 

[threesets]

i wouldn't say hemo spamming glaive rogues do worthless damage, as they can burst like crazy

 

[crossaqsing]

well all rogues does ^^ but Bis backstab spamming rogues with find weakness is to sick :>

+ backstab cant be dodged, ull loose some on that as hemo.

//Otrolig

 

[Xudam]

i think hemo spaming rogues would do more damage then backstabbing.

 

[iaccidentallytwink]

i wouldn't say hemo spamming glaive rogues do worthless damage, as they can burst like crazy

Cause haste proc is gewd in PvP for Rogues amirite?

 

[Vpn]

The proc gives basicly 40% haste for 10 seconds which is 40 more energy during the proc uptime.. so its pretty good.

 

[iaccidentallytwink]

The proc gives basicly 40% haste for 10 seconds which is 40 more energy during the proc uptime.. so its pretty good.

Doesn't even become to make up for how bad it is in PvP. If you're PvEing ofc use 2 glaives.

 

[cyaqt]

both playstyles are both viable and have no real difference in terms of damage.

 

[fatalstàb]

most ppl go daggers, but DW glaives, bot with mongoose is beast in PvP, it u look up "fataldaggerz" on armory and look for the guild saurfang u will find one of the best twinks on that server, he is CB glaives and can solo 2's

 

[cyaqt]

Fataldaggerz @ Saurfang - Game Guide - World of Warcraft


please tell me that's a joke. +16 agi gem in boots, wrong enchant. +38 ap bracers, haste gem in cloak, poor choice in trinket, terrible choice in ranged weapon, not maxed proffesions with a negative win loss in 2s. gj 1v2ing a team at 900 MMR.

 

[Cyb]

most ppl go daggers, but DW glaives, bot with mongoose is beast in PvP, it u look up "fataldaggerz" on armory and look for the guild saurfang u will find one of the best twinks on that server, he is CB glaives and can solo 2's

Anyone can solo at 1k mmr xd

 

[Oliks]

Looking at Fataldaggers and Fatalstáb, and i cant but notice a connection

Self-promoting are we?

 

[crossaqsing]

If u play a Healer class that takes dmg like hpala/rdruid.
You can easily feel the differance between Glaive rogues and backstabbers

From what i played 70 rogue i think it's a fail to go glaives :>
and dubble fail if u go mongoose

Mongoose: 120agility(240 ap + crit, rogues already have like 100% crit chance) and slighty increased attack speed(not haste)
2 min Internal cd (if not changed)

Berserking: 400 AP 5% reduced armor
No internal CD, if u choose to neglect Wep chain Berserking will stay up atleast 1x all the time.

(i saw someone fanboy glaives with moongoose thihi )

LETS GO

//Otrolig

 

[Friyn]

That rogue doesn't even have Sanguinary Vein - Spell - World of Warcraft talent, not like 16% damage increase is any good anyway. I got a lvl 70 rogue, have tried both BS and Hemo spam. Only difference between daggers and swords, is that daggers have better burst. Hemo spam is more damage per energy than BS spam, though.

Oh and also, I spend some time at target dummies testing Hemo damage. There was no real difference between Shiv of Exsanguination - Item - World of Warcraft and Hand of the Deceiver - Item - World of Warcraft. My Hemo actually did more average damage with dagger equipped. So I see no point going glaives over daggers for PvP purposes. Though the damage loss is not gamebraking and glaives are kinda cool...

 

[cyaqt]

no weapon proc in the game has longer than a 45 second ICD, and no proc in the game period has NO ICD. the damage difference between hemo with glaives and daggers goes as such. normally, daggers and swords have the same ratio of damage, its a scale blizzard uses to make sure hemo and backstab hit roughly the same. this ratio would be 1.8 for daggers, and 2.6 for other weapons, and that is how the ratio for hemo works as well. HOWEVER. glaives have a 2.8 weapon speed, so the damage percentage is calculated higher than normal weapons and daggers, and with a higher top end than normal, put glaives slightly ahead in terms of straight hemo damage. not only that, but 2.8 weapons have a 100%* (dont quote me on this, this is going on memory) as opposed to daggers roughly 55% proc chance for poisons** (same as before) giving glaives an even higher base damage when you put poisons in the equation. however, the calculations are different for abmush, with daggers having a much higher conversion rate than swords have, giving the difference between crux and MH glaive around a 500~ damage difference at around 3k AP because of rogues having basically 100% crit with ambush.

 

[crossaqsing]

Berserking has no Internal CD no.

I just tested it out to be sure, and as i said before. it dosnt

Both procced>with 1 sec left the first refreshed, 4 sec after i got double again, then one went out, but had one up for 20 sec,then double for 20 sec.

Blabla so on

 

[vixey]

Double daggers is slightly superior to double Glaives afaik.

Go with 26 agility / weapon chain

 

[mrdoobry]

If you are going into the Mongoose vs Berserking debate it was already covered here:

In this poll!

With regards to uptime, can someone with both Mongoose enchants and/or Berserking enchants post some logs so we can work out the uptime and answer this once and for all!