Stepping Up as Bracketmaster + 39 ARENA Night

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Chops said:
I will say, please avoid the inclination to say "holy shit, we have 20 people on, lets swap to WSG". Just stick to arenas on arena night.
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Yeah, this is something I'll never do. BG nights are for BGs, arena nights will be for arena. I really think that having a proper schedule in place is very important, and doing things on a whim can very often have negative effects. It might piss some people off, but if there's no structure and people start doing whatever they feel like on any given 39 day, things become unorganized and it just ends up with people confused.

I will say however that I would like to extend our arena nights into 3v3 occasionally for the more "hardcore" arena players, because generally 3s provides more balanced games and class diversity. The issue is keeping 2s alive for everyone else during this time, as I'd like to please both the more competitive and casual sides to the bracket as best I can. I have some ideas on how to accomplish my plan for 3s but I won't go into any detail yet.
 
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Having not played a 39 arena since a few weeks after xp off went live i likely wont play but i fully support the idea for those of you who enjoy it. You can count on me to keep playing saturday evenings though.
 
roudy said:
Having not played a 39 arena since a few weeks after xp off went live i likely wont play but i fully support the idea for those of you who enjoy it. You can count on me to keep playing saturday evenings though.
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You should give arena another shot, it's actually really fun especially if you have a friend to queue up with. I was playing arena for hours all weekend.
 
Moscoe said:
Hi Guys,
I am new to TI but would like to contribute to this discussion. Only one night a week will never help this the Bracket to grow. On another note, please educate me more on the activities of Bracket to enable me contribute effectively.
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An arena night will be happening come next week, and if it is successful I would like to add an additional arena night so 3/7 nights during the week people can expect 39s to be relatively active, and players won't quickly become bored with WSG only happening one night per week.

Adding a second WSG night is a very sensative subject for a lot of 39 players, so it will likely take some time before a 2nd is added.

My guild is also searching for 10v10 premades from any other team of players who would like to play against us, so we're looking to promote more competition within the bracket.

Since 39s are just starting up again, there is not much more I can tell you other than to check TI occasionally to see if new events/39 nights pop up in the future.
 
anatomyx said:
Yeah, this is something I'll never do. BG nights are for BGs, arena nights will be for arena. I really think that having a proper schedule in place is very important, and doing things on a whim can very often have negative effects. It might piss some people off, but if there's no structure and people start doing whatever they feel like on any given 39 day, things become unorganized and it just ends up with people confused.

I will say however that I would like to extend our arena nights into 3v3 occasionally for the more "hardcore" arena players, because generally 3s provides more balanced games and class diversity. The issue is keeping 2s alive for everyone else during this time, as I'd like to please both the more competitive and casual sides to the bracket as best I can. I have some ideas on how to accomplish my plan for 3s but I won't go into any detail yet.
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Given that I prefer 39 3s to any other format, this make me insanely happy. Im looking forward to the first arena night.
 
This is what any bracket needs -- consistent leadership. Thank you, AnatomyX, for taking the lead on arena nights. 39s will benefit from your extended XP-off experience. Multiple people shouldering the organizational burden helps a lot.

Compiling a bracket history (or even a complete twink history) would be a lot of fun, and there's a lot to learn from our past. Moreover, I appreciate the extended efforts people put into making sure we don't repeat troubled history.

With that said, I want to reiterate that leadership makes a greater impact than history. For example, every bracket that tried to move too quickly from two BG nights a week to three BG nights typically found itself in a world of hurt. But in Cata, strong leadership in the second 39 revival (of the three?) capitalized on a burst of interest, and kaboom, 39s played a month of of Monday/Wednesday/Friday games right out of the gate.

Managed growth of a bracket is a good thing, and it's awesome to see so many people care about doing it right. That alone will make a greater impact on chances for success than following any particular formula for how many nights a week a bracket schedules itself to play.

I think 39s have a lot to look forward to.

Edit: I cannot for the life of me figure out how to do mentions in a post. How do they work?
 
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anatomyx said:
I somewhat agree with what you're saying, but at the same time I think it's very unreasonable to expect us to be able to sustain ~8 hours of queue times, especially with how new the bracket is. It can be a very big problem to push for this as well. Say for example we said games were going to be scheduled from 2 PM EST -> 10 PM EST which is an 8 hour window.

This allows players to be more "lazy" for when they log on and play ("well, games will still be happening for a long time so I'll just log on and play in a few hours") and all that will lead to is less games overall, and less players online at one time. Instead of ~70 players online with 3 Warsongs happening at once, we'll end up with ~30 players online and 1 Warsong, and also potentially experience times when there are not enough players for a game at all. It's a lot more reassuring to check your friends list and see players in a WSG rather than check it and see everyone still sitting in queue.

I think the time we have set for WSG night is very good currently. Saturday night is a time where a lot of people have free time. However for players in other areas of the world, the unfortunate reality is that if you'd like to participate, you'll have to either wake up early (Australians) or stay up late (Europeans). Eventually, queue times will simply extend themselves as more players become interested in playing and have more fun.




I won't be offended by what you say, don't worry. I like discussions and I'd be happy to talk with people more if they have things they'd like to talk about.

Anyway, first of all I'm not pushing for what I personally want. Due to my schedule, I will not even be able to take part in the vast majority of Arena queue nights on weekdays that I am trying to set up, but regardless of that I still think it's a great idea to help grow the bracket. Even if there aren't huge numbers participating on the Arena night, all it takes is roughly 10 players to get some diversity in the queues, and faction DOES NOT matter unlike WSG where faction imbalance can become a major issue and proceed to kill the games.

Secondly, it's highly implausible to regulate bracket activities to due "feelings" of players, and that's something that I definitely will not be making an effort to do. If some people aren't down to play on queue night, then there's nothing anyone can do about it, and hopefully there will still be numbers to get games going regardless. Allowing the players who have less interest and "don't feel like playing today" to essentially regulate the bracket is a horrible idea no matter how you look at it.

On top of that, if we try to shift things around it will do nothing but lead to confusion. Consistency is key, and creating more opportunities for players to enjoy themselves is what will keep the consistency going. This is the exact reason I am trying to push for an Arena night and premades; so there is more for people to look forward to rather than just pug WSG games once per week.

I'd like TI to the place people go to find info on the bracket. I'm not going to clear out my friends list in order to add 50 different 39 players to my battletag and spam real id messages whenever games happen. If other people would like to do it then by all means go ahead, but I personally don't think it's necessary. It's very simple for people to check these forums, and if we get all 39 players to check TI more often it will likely cause a lot more discussion as well which is obviously a good thing.
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What I noticed first time around is that players browse these forums but a lot don't, btag because u have space for 200 people since the update...is the way to go. Same way I can get a premade for 29s in less than 5 minutes and also know in advance an approximation of how many people might show up. Take reference from the "Which day is best day to Q" poll. Had about 60 people vote saturday but all together had like 45 at max period and 1 1/2 hrs after it dropped to about 33 to which 20 was alliance.
In my opinion and experience, it is the way to go!!
 
Donteventrii said:
Who were the 19 counterparts who voiced interest in competing in 39 premades or at least fielding semis for pugs?
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One is being lead by Stunnashadez/Geno. He recently made a post in the recruitment section for his guild on BH Horde.

The other is Waka Flocka Seagulls. I have a decent relationship with the GM, Mutando, and he has expressed a lot of interest in fielding a team at 39. I know several of them made characters prior to the games on Saturday, but I'm not sure how many played because I'm not in direct contact with the rest of them.

I've also heard rumors of PING making a team, but I'm not sure how much truth there is to that. I've seen several members of their guild in games but since I don't have any contacts within the guild, I'm not sure if they intend on doing actual premades.
 
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anatomyx said:
You should give arena another shot, it's actually really fun especially if you have a friend to queue up with. I was playing arena for hours all weekend.
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my only updated 39 right now is an enhancement shaman, thats not enjoyable for anyone.
 
roudy said:
my only updated 39 right now is an enhancement shaman, thats not enjoyable for anyone.
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As shook mentioned, there are ways to balance yourself out. When I play my BM monk in arena, I don't use Guard because I feel as though it's unfair. I've lost a lot of games I probably could have won as a result.

It's probably better if you just participate if you feel like playing. I will be pushing for players to use classes that are not as strong or play a variety of classes on arena nights, but it's not a huge deal. If you only have one class, one additional enhancement shaman will not ruin the night for anybody.
 
anatomyx said:
I am not Sudo, but thanks regardless :p

But yeah, I'm aware of the time and effort it's going to take to keep things moving. A big problem will likely be what you said: finding a guild to compete with us. If we can get that in place, things (hopefully) become easier. We have time though, I don't think its a big rush to have that pop up immediately, and there's only so much I can do to make a different guild actually happen. We can recruit groups of players but ultimately it's up to them whether they enjoy the bracket or not, so I feel it's mainly my job to ensure that they will enjoy themselves rather than babysit people through a guild creation process.

As for your question of commitment, at the moment 39s are the only thing I have any interest in playing. Regardless of my "success" at 19, I don't enjoy the gameplay there enough to stick around in pugs. The same for 29s and 99s, both of which I've played recently. I'm a competitive-minded person, and casual pug games only keep my interest for so long. As for 100, I feel as though the gameplay is really poor right now in both RBGs and arenas, and I have no motivation to even bother gearing my characters. If 39s die out, it's highly likely that I'll just stop playing until the new expansion.

Anyway, even though I'm the "bracketmaster" there's really only so much I can do for 39s. I can do my best to keep things rolling and introduce new things, but after all is said and done it's the community as a whole that decides if the bracket will live or die.
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Sorry about the name mix-up.

Keep doing what you are doing, and good things will come.

Again, I can't stress patience enough. Here very soon this bracket will have some very bad games, people will AFK, quit playing, etc. Then long waits will happen. Then people will start posting RIP 39's. This is where a lot of past Bracketmasta threw up their hands and said it isn't worth it. This is where you have to stay the course and be positive and patient.

39's are that hot girl that many of us has been hurt by so many times that they have moved on to the big girls (19's, 70's, 115's). Stay nice to them, wear your blouse that shows off your hooters, and brush against their arm from time to time. They will eventually get up the courage to ask the hot girl out again.
 
On Bleeding Hollow, the guilds are BRB Liquor Store, Uptown Girls, We Cute and VDoP. They are all horde guilds. I am not sure about any alliance guilds on BH. I know Bigmoran has a guild on alliance called Skrill Ratio, but only see his 39 rogue in that guild so far. I've been playing the 39 bracket for a while with a bunch of you guys from Nightfall.
 
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Myself and a guildie were queuing 2s last night for about an hour and a half, it was around 10pm server. We never waited more then 3 minutes for a 2s pop! good job on queuing peeps :) Great games! add me for action Dimes#1275
 
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