Rogue's OP in cataclysm

Crilicilyn said:
guild boa's will be a pain too, we're going to all have be pretty good at PvE too now it seems



I recon that could be really entertaining though.



For the bigger twink guilds, or even the small ones! Having breaks from your twinks from time to time. Pull the guys you know and trust in, in for some end-game pve to get them BoAs grinded.



I recon that could be alright.
 
lindenkron said:
You can't say that yet. Focus is limiting a hunter's ability to spam abilities. And we cannot yet decide how stats and abilities will be effected etc.. So, wait for Cata or a test realm... And then judge ;)



Only Wing Clip and Stings would actually find themselves limited by the use of Focus... otherwise the use of "Mana" as a resource was limiting the Hunter's ability to spam damaging abilities since a lot of hunter shots were put on cooldowns to prevent a Hunter from say... Spamming Arcane Shot for as long as their mana could hold out.



So while a Hunter "Control" aspects will be limited by the Focus mechanic, Hunter Burst will see a definite jump between Agi changes, Focus Mechanic, and the ability to stack more Agi without paying any mind to int.
 
lindenkron said:
I recon that could be really entertaining though.



For the bigger twink guilds, or even the small ones! Having breaks from your twinks from time to time. Pull the guys you know and trust in, in for some end-game pve to get them BoAs grinded.



I recon that could be alright.



./shudder



Doing 17000 satchel runs and getting bandit loot every time is bad enough!
 
Back on topic, I find it hard to believe that they will drastically increase rogue's AP. I think that we will see a rebalancing of items. Also remember that AP as an equip bonus will be removed, so if they do go ahead as planned expect to see a change to BoAs, CB, defias belt, and "of power" greens.
 
lindenkron said:
I recon that could be really entertaining though.



For the bigger twink guilds, or even the small ones! Having breaks from your twinks from time to time. Pull the guys you know and trust in, in for some end-game pve to get them BoAs grinded.



I recon that could be alright.



Will the new catacylsm expansion replace the previous 3 discs? That's what I heard...(I could be making it up but I don't feel like reviewing all of the literature on the expansion). Also where is the 1agi=2AP hunter stuff coming from I didn't see that either? Guess i'll have to look that up too.



I do think that cataclysm speculation is a little premature but I enjoy getting conversation started so we know what to look for when the time comes. PS I'm still putting my money on AGM reforging.
 
Grabco said:
Will the new catacylsm expansion replace the previous 3 discs? That's what I heard...(I could be making it up but I don't feel like reviewing all of the literature on the expansion). Also where is the 1agi=2AP hunter stuff coming from I didn't see that either? Guess i'll have to look that up too.



I do think that cataclysm speculation is a little premature but I enjoy getting conversation started so we know what to look for when the time comes. PS I'm still putting my money on AGM reforging.



It's already that way. You only need the lates xpac to install all three versions.
 
Grabco said:
Will the new catacylsm expansion replace the previous 3 discs? That's what I heard...(I could be making it up but I don't feel like reviewing all of the literature on the expansion). Also where is the 1agi=2AP hunter stuff coming from I didn't see that either? Guess i'll have to look that up too.



I do think that cataclysm speculation is a little premature but I enjoy getting conversation started so we know what to look for when the time comes. PS I'm still putting my money on AGM reforging.



Shaman will also benefit from the Agi changes as well.
 
curleypwnsu said:
so rogues will get 1 agility is 2 AP whitch will make rogues OP which will prob make rogues go dual 15 agility idk 60 AP>fiery



Here is something to ponder about...



A hunter stacking Agility
 
builtokill said:
hunters aren't getting 2 ap for 1 agi, only rogues...



Rogues, Hunters, Druids and Shaman will all get the change actually.



Wryxian said:
Items Stats

In World of Warcraft: Cataclysm, there are plans to streamline the statistics found on items. We want to remove all unnecessary stats, make all existing stats understandable, and make all "core" stats more appealing. Here are some examples of such plans.



* MP5: This will be removed from items and replaced with Spirit. All healers will be given a meditation-like ability.

* Spell Power: Spell Power is being removed from items as well. Don't panic, we'll be improving Intellect so that it provides mana and Spell Power.

* Attack Power: We're removing Attack Power from items as well. Instead, we're allowing Agility to provide the necessary Attack Power for leather and mail wearers. Strength will provide the appropriate amount of Attack Power for plate wearers. This means leather and mail items will no longer be desirable for plate wearers.

* Defense: The Defense statistic is also being removed from items so that players no longer have to worry about juggling around "the cap." Tanks will receive the necessary anti-crit from talents, like Survival of the Fittest.

* Armor Penetration: This ability is too confusing and "mathy." It is being replaced with Mastery, a stat that makes you better at what you do. More on that later!

* Haste: Will also increase the rate at which you gain energy, runes, and focus. Retribution paladins and Enhancement shaman will have a talent that allows them to take advantage of this benefit.

* Block: Block Value is being removed. Blocking will now always mitigate a percentage of damage.

* Stamina: Players will notice more Stamina on gear as Defense, Spell Power, Attack Power and Armor Penetration are removed.
 

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