Tidal said:I have played mage (perfect gear except BtA items) before and after 3.10. In my point of view, the mage has no chance at all to win, given the rogue knows what to do. Of course a lucky frostbite proc may change the odds, but I have found it impossible to beat rogues in 3.10.
Before 3.10, I could basically outlast the trinket+sprint and then poly, but now I can't. But most of all, some rogues (the best ones in my guild) started using LOS to such amount that I just couldn't do anything to kill them anymore. Usually this happened in Darnassus or the Dalaran Arena but I imagine Nagrand would do too.
What happens is:
Rogue opens with sap. Garrote expose armor follows. I nova, run and load up Frostbolt rank 3. Then I do another frostbot rank 3, fire bast and run. What the rogue does is simply walk to LOS (This happened most confrontingly in the Dalaran Arena) while being shot at and slowed. When the rogue reaches the corner, he goes around it and simply waits for me to come around the corner. When this happens I either get sapped (if he is already restealthed) or gouged. If I don't follow him but stay away, he restealths and gets another opener. In both cases, I take a serious amount of damage. This process is then repeated until I am dead.
I have yet to find a way around this.
Tidal said:I have played mage (perfect gear except BtA items) before and after 3.10. In my point of view, the mage has no chance at all to win, given the rogue knows what to do. Of course a lucky frostbite proc may change the odds, but I have found it impossible to beat rogues in 3.10.
Before 3.10, I could basically outlast the trinket+sprint and then poly, but now I can't. But most of all, some rogues (the best ones in my guild) started using LOS to such amount that I just couldn't do anything to kill them anymore. Usually this happened in Darnassus or the Dalaran Arena but I imagine Nagrand would do too.
What happens is:
Rogue opens with sap. Garrote expose armor follows. I nova, run and load up Frostbolt rank 3. Then I do another frostbot rank 3, fire bast and run. What the rogue does is simply walk to LOS (This happened most confrontingly in the Dalaran Arena) while being shot at and slowed. When the rogue reaches the corner, he goes around it and simply waits for me to come around the corner. When this happens I either get sapped (if he is already restealthed) or gouged. If I don't follow him but stay away, he restealths and gets another opener. In both cases, I take a serious amount of damage. This process is then repeated until I am dead.
I have yet to find a way around this.
celliott said:if you walk around to corner, don't do it within melee range? lol
Mummified said:little macro I've always loved to use to break stealth on a rogue.
/cast [nocombat] Arcane Explosion(Rank 1); Arcane Explosion
A mage should never lose this fight. But it's rare I find a mage that has a clue.
p.s. on your run away, try a lvl 1 Frostbolt then switch to Arcane Missles as he turns to walk away. The missles go through walls and keep him hating you. He charges, drop a rank 1 fb, kite as needed till nova is off cd,
then it should be over very soon.
Rayekk said:I would love to say rogue, but I think there are too many unaddressed variables, like where? In a WSG, I think the mage, because the rogue needs to be thinking about the big picture, and cannot play hide and seek all day. In a duel, it’s a toss-up, depending on how shrewdly each chose the dual location. In Arena combat, I’d have to go with the rogue.
Also, class comes into play- is the mage a human, with improved perception? Is the rogue a Nelf, with the shadowmeld+stealth wanna-be vanish? Is the rogue a gnome with multiple freedom abilities to close the gap? Do either use bombs as a stun? What spec of rogue? What professions do each have?
Too many variables IMHO…