Rogue strats

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Was wondering if there was a rogue priority order for attacks. I feel as though as im opening up that if i dont get them low enough that im getting killed as im not pulling that much damage. Seems to be a big problem.



Also can anyone post different opening strats for different classes. Like when to use garrote as an opener etc...



Thanks would really appreciate it.
 
on my 70 rogue for most classes Cheap shot, evis, shadow dance, ambush spam /lol and they're dead



other classes require a bit more effort, such as mages



Garrotte - recup - shadowstep (when they blink) kidney shot backstab spam vanish repeat





it really depends on the situation
 
any good mage won't blink before Step is used, specially if the rogue has kidney up still.



also about the above opener vs a mage I'd rather open with Garrote, do a backstab gouge recup Dance, Prem Garrote ambush evi, Garrote and hopefully you'll get in another ambush. now I can't recall if Garrote silence has DR but still you should be able to prevent the mage from doing anything to you during this. if the mage ain't dead vanish and restart. if he IB's attempt to restealth. possible vanish to cheap shot when his garrote silence on you run out to force out a blink then shadowstep kidney him if he trinkets use blind(have it glyphed tho).



there is so many errors that can be made you just have to abuse the misstakes the frost mage does.
 
What can I do to kill healers? My friend is a restro druid and I just cant seem to get him down. He cant get me really either but I figure if I cant kill him how am i suppose to kill other healers.
 
he should just take you down with thorns, dots, and the occasional root + nuke (if clos id down). youd just have to burst him when hots are down and cc him to prevent long casts i guess. idk
 
There isn't really a general PvP ROTATION.. it is reaction ;)



My typical melee opener is : sap, CS through sap. Restealth, premed, garrote through sap, recup + hemo (for damage buff, 10% overall)? Derp about for ~15 seconds until the sap>gouge DR wears off, and then gouge into stealth. premed recup > garrote > ShD > CS > ambush till 5 pts, KS > garrote.

Close with a gouge, and derp about. Make use of your CC's.



For a caster, you shouldn't really have trouble with any save mages.



For a mage, I : premed > garrote and IMMEDIATELY kidney shot, even though you aren't at 5 points. It gives you ~3-4 seconds of unavoidable damage, and they might even blow the trink. Most mages will blink out of this - don't bother wasting ShS, once it hits .2 on your garrote timer and energy pool. If their hands light up, gouge quickly, and they'll be gouged on the other end of blink. If you are slowed still, sprint up. (A good mage won't blink until after you have blown CoS \ ShS, or they are desperate, which is why you want to react and not assume. If they assume you're going to assume something, they'll do something else).

--> From here, you have 20 seconds until the next blink is on, so lay out the damage. At ~15 seconds after the blink, make sure you have bleed\recup up and get ready to play defensively to counter their blink.

*If the mage is frost and you get nova'd, wait one second to account for GCD and then vanish; this is assuming you are going to be deep freezed (especially if you are at >50% hp or the mage is). Vanish won't break the deep freeze, but they will have to AoE you out of it, otherwise you get another opener.



Against the typical healer : This is EASILY the most difficult fight for a rogue in this bracket - at least, vs the healers on my server. *cough* two seconds and 100% hp. Basically, you have to bide your time until it is right. Force their trinket ASAP, and then continue to derp about until they have HoT's off / wearing off. Gouge into stealth, premed recup > garrote into ShD CS. From here, ambush spam until the end, where you use another garrote ( which DOES have a diminishing return). at .5 seconds on the garrote silence, use gouge to recover your energy. Blind at the end into stealth. Sap them to wait off your DR's. open premed garrote > hemo\backstab, depending on whether you use daggers\other weapons, ride out the silence. At .5 seconds on the silence use kidney shot. Damage until ~1.5 seconds on the kidney shot, and then energy pool so you have enough energy for gouge. Recup with whatever points you have, and then vanish > premed > CS , your damage preference, and then eviscerate.

--> Basically, for this fight, you want to wait until you can take complete control of the fight, and then abuse the control. If it is a paladin, keep in mind that they have a bubble to blow, so you'll have to set up the streak twice, by which trinket will be back up (since it is a two minute one now), so you'll have a one minute window to down them. I recommend taking them to ~75% hp before opening up, just to give yourself more of a cushion. Also, remember that you want CONTROL, not damage so much (even though dps is important).. that is why you stop attacking to pool energy, because letting an hpaly get one holy shock off \ dpriest bubble \ otherwise CC's can (and will) ruin your whole streak. It comes down to seconds, so you have to be careful.





Recuperate is your #1 priority, keep it up at all times. +12 energy / 3 seconds is simply too much to give up.. use it even over your stuns, since you will be derping yourself if you stun them, only to run out of energy after two attacks.



Watch neilyo \ akrios videos on youtube. The burst is a lot higher now then it was in 70 at 70, but you can still pick some things up.

This is the basic idea, you'll have to alter it accordingly depending on opponent skill level \ your own \ situation.



/wall of text

My opinion, but I play sort of awkward too.

Regardless, it tends to work >< haha.

-Volsci
 
Its impossible to give you DPS rotations and tips if I don't know what your trying to kill... There isn't really any basic PvP rotation you can use every time for any class and any spec.
 
Well in general, I know im not even close to good but I just like to do arena for fun with my partner and I would really like to get better. We're like 21-12 I believe and sitting with a 1720 rating but it was really frustrating. Every single kill I got came from the opening move whether it was first try or it lasted long enough for multiple tries. I was just doing Shadow Step > Cheap Shot > Shadow Dance > Ambush Spam + Tazik Shocker. If it didnt kill them it got them to like 10-20ish% and then they get fully healed. After that I dont feel like i'm doing something right because it doesnt seem like i'm doing enough damage out of the opening move to kill someone. My partner is a restro druid and he is doing really good lasting a really long time mostly on really low mana while the other healer is usually completely full.



When i'm out of stealth im usually just trying to stun with gouge, kidney shot or vanish and im trying to just BS spam and sometimes Hemmorage 5 stacks and a rupture. I try and watch some vids on youtube of rogues in arenas and im not seeing every kill they get come from stealth so I know im doing something terribly wrong.
 

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