Priest or Healadin? for PVE
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Greatly depend on what kind of PvE and what sort of fight.
But overall, I would say Paladin. Simply due to the infinite mana pool (If specced Prot) or High haste/Mana regen if specced Holy.
On a 3+man battle,priest could come handy with bubble, but since some fight last for a real long time, you may prefer to have high mana regen, and depending on the fight, bubble might be pointless.
On a solo matter, I wouldn't even consider priest, as Spells are most likely to be Missed against high level mob. Judgement works great in PvE.
Also, the paladin can take extra damage due to the Armor from gear + Shield. Specced Prot, in holy gear, I nearly have 50% Physical Damage reduce, 1,1k hp and about a thousand mana, which is way enough.
But overall, I would say Paladin. Simply due to the infinite mana pool (If specced Prot) or High haste/Mana regen if specced Holy.
On a 3+man battle,priest could come handy with bubble, but since some fight last for a real long time, you may prefer to have high mana regen, and depending on the fight, bubble might be pointless.
On a solo matter, I wouldn't even consider priest, as Spells are most likely to be Missed against high level mob. Judgement works great in PvE.
Also, the paladin can take extra damage due to the Armor from gear + Shield. Specced Prot, in holy gear, I nearly have 50% Physical Damage reduce, 1,1k hp and about a thousand mana, which is way enough.
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So are you saying it would be better to spec prot but gear as holly for healer or just for solo? What's the BIS holy none GF gear? I have BOA mace with +21 int. I don't have the 2hand mace or axe, just the staff so that wouldn't work on pally with 20 haste. I'm asking because the links for gear haven't worked in a while. At least not for me.
If you plan on soloing 2Handers is pointless, you're gonna OOM yourself way to fast and damage mitigation is weak in a 2Handers build.
Yeah, I could argue on prot being the best spec Overall Pvp/Pve for a heling pally, but to keep it on topic, I would suggest you to go with Prot spec in holy gear.
You basically suit yourself in Holy gear and spec Prot. The only difference in spells here is that Holy gets Holy shock (Which help when in need of burst heal, but also cost mana and trigger GCD) and Prot get the useless Avengers shield (USELESS FOR PVE vs. High level, mana cost to heavy and Miss chance way to high)
Where prot gets handy is with Judgement of the Wise (Passive), which gives 30% of base mana over 10sec. Which basically makes you almost un-OOM'able for fight under 7-8mins, without any problem.
Holy get +3% haste and 10% Additional Spirit Combat regen from Judgement of the Pure Talent 1/3.
You also get a bonus in Attack Power from Vengeance while Prot specced (Even though AP isn't really needed since you're probably gonna miss 90-95% of your white hit if not more, but a bonus is always a bonus)
You also get more stam (15% bonus Stamina from passive)
And the EXTREMELY good thing about Prot PvE is that Touched by the light (Prot passive that gives stam buff) also gives 8% Hit with spells, which basically Cap you for your judgement, so no need to get hit gear.
The only thing you don't get from Holy is the CD'ed WoG. WoG is 20sec CD Prot specced. While it is true that WoG is mana free, getting 3 stacks is a pain in High level PvE, since most of your crusader strike will fail on target.
Obviously, if you spec Holy, you can use Holy Shock on yourself and gather stack much faster, but still, with the 6sec HS Cooldown, it would still take you 18sec to get a WoG off.
WoG crit holy specced can basically full you up, which is great. Sadly, since HS mana cost is pretty high compared to a Spam-HL combo, on a long fight you'll get oom, even with the use of WoG.
If you plan on fighting Mobs that will die under 5mins, you could consider Holy, but I would say go prot either way.
Get Mail BoA, VAN (Neck), Mail BoE Bracer +1stam +1int, Either Gemmed Copper gloves or BoE mail Eagle Gloves, get a mail BoE belt, same for legs. And your physical mitigation should be over 50%. This should compensate with the lack of burst heal.
Other then that, that's pretty much it.
There's also the possibility of speccing Ret, but that's only good if you're multi-mob killing. Crusade 1/3 is killer, if you get a killing blows, you get a 100% holy light bonus on next HL. But that's for extreme situational case, which I wouldn't consider.
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Thanks bank.
Now I need to decide if I'm going Horde first to get the ring then faction change. That's about the only reason right to go horde or is there a couple more items I'll need to get before faction change? Shield maybe. What's your thoughts on that? Also any recommendations on other spec sets. I have most heirloom sets aside from Might.
Now I need to decide if I'm going Horde first to get the ring then faction change. That's about the only reason right to go horde or is there a couple more items I'll need to get before faction change? Shield maybe. What's your thoughts on that? Also any recommendations on other spec sets. I have most heirloom sets aside from Might.
If you don't have BoA, want extra crit or just want it for transmog purposes, pick uphttp://www.wowhead.com/item=53407 while on horde as well, it's from a quest in Azshara. Alliance is pretty much BiS for a pally except for Slayer's band, but dual 1 Rings or if you have it that BoA ring would be the next BiS.
Since the removal of Barrens quest and the RFC quest, it's pretty much just for the ring really.
Like I said, a paladin these day will mostly be geared in BoE items + BoA.
id say priest even though they oom fast in pve they can usually conserve mana and in pvp pallies will hav trouble healing against most arena teams
if you go alliance worgen first you can get the worgen starting zone blue shield, if you go goblin first you can get the blue gloves with hit.
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In PvE priest aren't even an option, except for 3+man PvE. Solo PvE on a priest would be as retarded as stacking agi on a holy paladin, stupid as hell.
First, Priest Oom way faster then pally, it's not even a close combat here, pally prot mana regen is like 10 times higher then the priest one.
Second, priest are cloth, which gives them extremely low Physical Mitigation. Compared to shield-using paladin, which can get 50+% from armor.
Third, priest must get hit rating gear, which prot pally are passively capped.
Forth, Priest DPS will be a joke against level 30+ since they're a casting class, which means 95% of their spells will miss AND consume mana.
Fifth, They could wand the target, but almost all the fight they will pass it at healing themselves (Low mitigation damage), considering they don't run Oom, they won't be able to wand anyway = No DPS.
Sixth, Spamming DoT will burn mana like no other day.
Seventh, the whole Healing pally = Useless in PvP is pointless, since I can manage 1v2 Holy 2Handers - Specced, and that priest WILL STILL OOM faster then a Paladin.
Yet i'm not saying priest aren't good, possibly the best class if played correctly in this bracket, but once oom'ed they're pointless and they obviously oom much faster then a paladin (Prot or Ret specced, Or Holy specced in Spirit build).
Paladin cannot get any of the new Cata-Race gear items, since both new race aren't paladin available, but yet, paladin are extremely strong class.
if i were going a healer personally id go 14 but i find that disc priests can actually conserve mana in pve if they stack alot of spirit and only use shield in very dire circumstances penace is very mana efficient and with enough spirit like on bracers and maybe even wep could be enough to keep u in posotive mana and if u go nelf just buble some people up smeld for a a full regen.
Pretty much that. Going priest means you have to get high spirit and get some hit gear. Considering the spirit and hit gear, you'll have less HP, less Mana, less damage overall. Since prot pally get Hit Capped for Judgement in Passive, and pretty much un-oom'able, you can focus on max mitigation gear rather then gearing spirit and hit.
The problem here is the damage mitigation, you're gonna getto much damage, so you'll be helaing yourself 95% of the time, leaving no time to DPS the mob, and since you're a casting class, offensive spells pretty much burn your mana. And if you want to wand, then, you'Re probably gonna face the problem that you'll be healing 95% of the time and so, leave almost no time to wand.
for priest healing im only talking about for group pve