Positive attitude and Skill

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chilltink said:
anybody of you EU tinks remember Yup? (he played quite recently, might still be on endgame), he was one of my great sources of inspiration, he played a mean druid on an account without cata (i think), i didn't even notice he didn't have heirlooms untill he was one day absolutely ecstatic about getting his heirlooms :j

i was moved by "new guys'" post, (sorry, cba to go back and check what your name was), and Mochas' post. i think i have some things to add.
first of all, you can be a perfectly talented player without being friendly, however, being an angry gladiator, will make you a lonely person. the other day, I was accused of "pretending to be nice", which is something that absolutely appaled me. the trick lies in taking a look at this bracket, in all its glory and gore, and then taking a step back.. taking a look.
as it was mentioned before, the key lies in analyzing. saying that the bracket is broken, is as short-sighted as it is false, the bracket is in an arguably better state than it has ever been. No, the brackets' problem, lies in the fact, that we maintain an inherently negative and dismissing attitude towards players who are in the "learning curve." we ALL need to take a step back, and stop blaming the brackets' decline on other things, other people, other companies, the bracket is in your hands!

and yes, there will ALWAYS be bad, undergeared players.
and yes, there will ALWAYS be online anger.
but as long as YOU'RE smiling, the rest of it doesn't matter<3
so hop in that warsong, and you see that rogue failing a jump? you link him painaids' youtube video!
you see that paladin who can't fake-cast? you ask him to download Icicle!
you see that lonely person, who has been in the bracket forever, and is angry and frustrated, and calls you all baddies? give him your skype, play a few real IDs with him!
just dont let it be the fault of somebody else, because you could always have done more.

-Chíll out, peace out <3
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chilltink said:
anybody of you EU tinks remember Yup? (he played quite recently, might still be on endgame), he was one of my great sources of inspiration, he played a mean druid on an account without cata (i think), i didn't even notice he didn't have heirlooms untill he was one day absolutely ecstatic about getting his heirlooms :j

i was moved by "new guys'" post, (sorry, cba to go back and check what your name was), and Mochas' post. i think i have some things to add.
first of all, you can be a perfectly talented player without being friendly, however, being an angry gladiator, will make you a lonely person. the other day, I was accused of "pretending to be nice", which is something that absolutely appaled me. the trick lies in taking a look at this bracket, in all its glory and gore, and then taking a step back.. taking a look.
as it was mentioned before, the key lies in analyzing. saying that the bracket is broken, is as short-sighted as it is false, the bracket is in an arguably better state than it has ever been. No, the brackets' problem, lies in the fact, that we maintain an inherently negative and dismissing attitude towards players who are in the "learning curve." we ALL need to take a step back, and stop blaming the brackets' decline on other things, other people, other companies, the bracket is in your hands!

and yes, there will ALWAYS be bad, undergeared players.
and yes, there will ALWAYS be online anger.
but as long as YOU'RE smiling, the rest of it doesn't matter<3
so hop in that warsong, and you see that rogue failing a jump? you link him painaids' youtube video!
you see that paladin who can't fake-cast? you ask him to download Icicle!
you see that lonely person, who has been in the bracket forever, and is angry and frustrated, and calls you all baddies? give him your skype, play a few real IDs with him!
just dont let it be the fault of somebody else, because you could always have done more.

-Chíll out, peace out <3
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You've got some really, really good points here mate.

I think the attitude to those in the learning curve is nothing short of contemptible at the moment. Not a week ago some bloke came in and said "hi guys im new, what do you do here?" in a Warsong. People came out with "Type /afk" or "alt+f4", there was only one other chap who tried to help this guy and explain WSG to him. In my view that's just ridiculous. Whilst this was in normal BGs, it was the 20-24 bracket, I still think this is silly. People whine about those who don't know what to do in WSG, it's all "noobs" this and "noobs" that, why on earth can't people just aid the guy, he might turn out to be a great player and be really beneficial to the battleground as a whole.

That gets to me about WoW in general, not just twinking.
 
never knew you were that warrior..I see that dude all the time
 
i ride ciren's coattails and take all the glory
 
Mochabad said:
I don't see why it's always the rogues... RvR stopped meaning something 5 years ago. Curley plays well. Ciren plays well. There are some things you guys have in common that you both do well. Can we leave it at that?

Since this debate has been going on for years which is based exclusively on popularity, I can safely assume that we cannot.

I will proceed to prove that skill and a good attitude can go hand in hand, and that everyone could achieve arete if they simply focus.

At first I thought Beastly was nothing special. Through playing with him for a long time I started to notice that he is on a higher level than anyone else. This higher level used to be occupied by Cirran and others. Players on this higher level understand that Kbs don't matter, and returns are exactly the same thing as a KB and that who returns the flag doesn't matter as long as it is your faction. Curley yells when someone else returns the flag. Bottom line, you can return 5-10 flags a game like I have done, yet you know it's not the returns that matter, but how you assist the returns. That's what is important. Latency and positioning are the only things that would determine the outcome of a player returning a flag over another. Latency is independent on skill.

Beastly is the only rogue who understands this and keeps his composure no matter what. He doesn't feel like he needs to get the return to look better on the scoreboard because he knows he is doing more work than any other rogue in the bracket. Does he claim he is great? No. Does he rage when someone returns the flag other than him? No.

As a rogue, most consider their first goal to be Kbs. After a while, they go for the damage charts. After that, they go for flag returns. After they understand that a flag return doesn't make you better than those who helped, that rogue can focus on the cause and effect of playing a Warsong rogue which leads to a carrying out a rogue's mission.

Whether he performs his job, and does so efficiently, are two things Beastly has mastered along with a positive attitude and skill.

Does this give a rogue the excuse to slack off and not focus 100% on returning the flag, and/or actually getting the return? No. A rogue should always be played to the maximum level of the player's focus and skill, but if you go out and give 100%, and another rogue gets the return over you, it simply does not matter.

Beastly has proven his skill through years of experience and determination.

Beastly has proven to have a positive attitude and a non-egotistical one at that.

Therefore, yes it is possible, although I can name only a select few who have acquired this level of experience needed to be great, and through experience gained this knowledge of what really is important.

Beastly, Pizza.

~~Møçhâ~~
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replace Beastly with Twinx, it's the EU version
 
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