Perfecting your "Ret" Pally.

This thread assumes you have a basic knowledge of gear, spec and chants. The talented +15% str is really the key talent. Paladin damage comes in 4 ways. Melee swing, Seal damage proc from melee swing. Judgement, seal proc from judgement. Or about 150+32+90+32. 5/5 seals of the pure effects seal damage and judgment damage which is a boost to 3/4 of your attacks.



Two things I can't seem to decide on are the glyph and the chest piece. The chest piece will dictate other slots but basically it is between the BoA leather chest with

+10 stam/+13ap/+6hit



or the "plate" chest with

+7stam/+7str/+6crit.



I don't believe in hit capping a ret pally because you have drop too many good damage pieces. But I think some hit is important. The hit chest is good because it gives 10 stam and 13 ap vs 7 stam and 16 ap from the plate. I am assuming that dps from +6 hit and dps from +6 crit are equal but have no theorycraft to back it up.



The glyph is a real personal preference.... I guess. Glyph Hammer of Justice +5yds or glyph +10% judgements damage.



The 10% judgement seems like the obvious choice and would improve overall damage by about 1dps. (90 judgment damage +9 from glyph = 99. 9 damage/10 second cooldown is about 1dps). Stacked with the talent this would be 25% improved judgment damage.



Hammer of justice glyph. If you understand why minor speed is good you will understand why this glyph improves dps. Time on target is defined as the amount of time you are actively doing damage to the target. In a raid fight (lvl 80) if you spend more than 4 seconds running at a time a boot speed enchant will benefit your damage more than any other enchant. In pvp the same concept applies and because you are almost constantly moving minor speed is by far the best boot enchant followed by +5 hit and +7 agility.



+5 yds to your hammer will allow you to do several things better.



1. Bring your target in range for a huge burst.

2. Prevent a heal or lifeblood pop from a farther distance

3. Hammer works while running away. You will be able to run farther before stunning which can mean an extra bandage tick.

4. "WTFHAMMER?" I swear it works from like 15 yds away sometimes.
 
Lol.. interesting thread, Ive seen some paladins do Huge Burst before,

I dont know why, But I would prefer an AP warrior, even though it cant heal, thats not really necessary anymore, when you include Lifeblood, and Gift of the naaru if your a dranei,
 
I don't really do arenas but the Hammer glyph is very useful in wsg especially defending the FC.



I'd probably go witht he leather boa for the 30hp and 6 hit
 
Novascotia said:
You're failing at trolling.



im not trying to troll you here. i dont get it.

he evaluates both of his options, but doesnt give a conclusion.

there are no questions and he doesnt state that he's looking for others opinions on it either.

not to mention after he assumes our knowledge, explains it to us anyway.



lol also i'm offended that you would take that kind of comment as me trolling these forums, if i were trying to get a rise out of some of you bads here i would be acting quite differently. if he was looking for help deciding i was planning to offer my opinion
 
Supadrood said:
im not trying to troll you here. i dont get it.

he evaluates both of his options, but doesnt give a conclusion.

there are no questions and he doesnt state that he's looking for others opinions on it either.

not to mention after he assumes our knowledge, explains it to us anyway.



lol also i'm offended that you would take that kind of comment as me trolling these forums, if i were trying to get a rise out of some of you bads here i would be acting quite differently. if he was looking for help deciding i was planning to offer my opinion



I didn't take it as trolling don't worry. When someone posts a thread they are either posting their opinion or asking a question to the community to recieve comments. This thread is a theorycraft and is open ended... people can use it to gain insight or ideas for making their own ret pallies. Or criticize and post suggestions. It is all the same thing. I have provided arguments for either BOA and for either glyph. You should be judicious and decide which argument is more valid and criticize or add to it.
 
Grabco said:
I didn't take it as trolling don't worry. When someone posts a thread they are either posting their opinion or asking a question to the community to recieve comments. This thread is a theorycraft and is open ended... people can use it to gain insight or ideas for making their own ret pallies. Or criticize and post suggestions. It is all the same thing. I have provided arguments for either BOA and for either glyph. You should be judicious and decide which argument is more valid and criticize or add to it.

meh, i play healadin, and dont have the funds to make another set or the time to theory craft about it.

on topic: go for the hit cap, when a hammer misses it sucks. i use the holy light glyph but i would take the hammer one of the 2 you mentioned.
 
heres my quarter of a cent lol

I finally got 90% of a dps set on my healadin so... in absolutely no way cite any of my oppinions as, well, legitimate and thorough. I dropped my rogue BoA chest and using the Spider cape i've got just under hitcap w/ 11. So... =/ I didn't miss anything important like judgements or hammer that was nice, and I do love the cape for a slightly better heal over any of the agi capes (i'm running myself RFC this weekend I only got the healing stuff last time on my pally). Hit capping is consitency, crit is great too. Try both imo and do what you like, I still prefer healing on my pally however lol.
 
I like healing on my pally too. I usually heal in WSG if there are no other healers. if DPS is lacking I will go DPS



I wish there was duel spec at every level. i don't think it would hurt anything. They say there is supposed to be a slight learning curve but if people don't figure it out until level 40 then who really cares. I would love to have duel spec on my pally and I am sure there are other classes that wouldn't mind having another spec to go to with the push of a button.
 
definitely!!! my pally could so use it. I really miss my rogues assassination spec too! My 19 hunter i don't give a rats arse about so mehh lol. But that would be insane for all hybrid classes!!!
 

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