Perfect hybrid pally build?

Lawlpurge

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So i made a thread about what to use my new shadowfang on. I would hands down roll a warrior IF the toon im leveling now wasn't a warrior. I need a change of pace. Sooooo i'm making a pally, with a mix of sp/AP, i was tossing around some ideas on chardev, for the perfect hybrid pally. character planner . perfection . chardev seven Could anyone post some feedback and/or an armory of a really good pally? Thanks.
 
I'm guessing this build is a mix between Ret/Shockadin?



Only things I'd change are grabbing cobrahn's grasp over screecher belt or even possibly getting the satchel solder's belt and switching out deadskull with a redbeard's for more AP.



Other than that, I do not see anything wrong with trying out this build. I'm quite curious how it would work out.
 
8str is most definately superior to 12 ap. 8str is 16*1.15 ap. Even without the talent 16>12.



Edit: Also why 30sp on SF? There are better dmg enchants and there are better healing weapons. Why mix the two on the same weapon when you could just weapon swap when you want to throw out a heal. Is it reall that difficult to find 1.5secs to change your weapon as a pally? as i understand it you dont have many moves and i would have thought it would be quite difficult to keep your GCD up.



Every time there is a pally weapon thread someone suggests this but its never been explained why a SF with 30SP is better than having a SF with LS/15str/sader and an Aurastone with 30sp.
 
ok well im not exactly sure.... but this is why i think it would be best. Shadowfang is the highest dmg one hander correct? So the seal of righteousness dmg is going to be higher with it as well. 30 sp increases that seal dmg on every swing, increases judgment damage, and dont quote me on this but I think it increases healing from judgment of light. anyways i would get 22 int. on boa mace.
 
Lawlpurge said:
ok well im not exactly sure.... but this is why i think it would be best. Shadowfang is the highest dmg one hander correct? So the seal of righteousness dmg is going to be higher with it as well. 30 sp increases that seal dmg on every swing, increases judgment damage, and dont quote me on this but I think it increases healing from judgment of light. anyways i would get 22 int. on boa mace.
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and so does AP :eek:
 
So a healdin retadin dps hybrid. Looks pretty swell. Loose the screecher belt and maybe grab a deviate scale belt for the hit rating.



Good luck.
 
Lawlpurge said:
and dont quote me on this but I think it increases healing from judgment of light. anyways i would get 22 int. on boa mace.
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Well im going to :) and according to wowwiki it does not.

Spell power coefficient - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft



Thus my original question still stands, why put 30sp on SF? surely there are better dmg enchants out there.



Edit: and surely LS would heal for more per hit than 30 SP would and accrding to the quick maths i just did, 30sp only achieves 2.28 dps whereas LS nets you 3.0 dps. Not only that but LS is more bursty too making it even more snazzy. Thus i can only conclude that 30 sp is best when healing, and then aurastone would be best. Correct me if im wrong, but i just cant see the point of it.
 
It doesn't increase healing done by judgement. Judgement will heal for 2% of HP.
 
Kore nametooshort said:
My question still stands then :p
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My bad I missed it. I don't think 30 SP is BiS on a Shadowfang however it increases damage done by judment a good bit therefore making a paladins burst higher. Also it increases heals by 30 which is always nice when I'm getting pounded by hunters in the gluch I don't always have time to swap weapons.
 
Lawlpurge said:
So i made a thread about what to use my new shadowfang on. I would hands down roll a warrior IF the toon im leveling now wasn't a warrior. I need a change of pace. Sooooo i'm making a pally, with a mix of sp/AP, i was tossing around some ideas on chardev, for the perfect hybrid pally. character planner . perfection . chardev seven Could anyone post some feedback and/or an armory of a really good pally? Thanks.
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the only problem I see with your build is that you only have 4 hit, so this build would be pretty bad in arena (premades you can use hit pots)
 
Doesnt str increase your holy damage more than sp?

if so i wouldnt make a mixed setup.



Make a ret and holy set.
 
This is what I came up with for horde pallys: character planner . shockadin . chardev seven



Alliance: character planner . perfect lvl 19 ret/holy pally . chardev seven



I calculated the dmg the Aurastone Hammer and Shadowfang would deal with SoR aswell...



[ITEM]Devout Aurastone Hammer[/ITEM]



Seal Damage

5.742 AP dmg. (AP * 0.022)

3.696 SP dmg. (SP * 0.044)

25.4826 dmg. (AP dmg. + SP dmg. * MWS)

29.30499 total dmg. per swing (talents 15%)



Judgement Damage

52.2 AP dmg. (AP * 0.2)

26.88 SP dmg. (SP * 0.32)

100.0362 total judge dmg. (talents 15%, glyphs 10%)



[ITEM]Shadowfang[/ITEM]



Seal Damage

5.742 AP dmg. (AP * 0.022)

3.036 SP dmg. (SP * 0.044)

23.7006 dmg. (AP dmg. + SP dmg. * MWS)

27.25569 total dmg. per swing (talents, 15%)



Judgement Damage

52.2 AP dmg. (AP * 0.022)

22.08 SP dmg. (SP * 0.044)

93.9642 total judge dmg. (talents 15%, glyphs 10%)



Imo, Shadowfang is a little bit better because of the proc and the extra top-end damage. That's just me though, and don't flame me if there is some errors, did this at 02:40 so there probably is some errors. I think I switched a couple of items after I made these calculations but wth, it's late and only a matter of about 2 str anyways... So correct them yourself, cause I really cba atm. :p



Edit: add +1 dmg to every final judge result.
 
Murk said:
Doesnt str increase your holy damage more than sp?

if so i wouldnt make a mixed setup.



Make a ret and holy set.
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That is actually a good question. Judgments are considered melee attacks now so I don't THINK they are affected by spellpower (however the equation on wow head says that it is).
 
No, judgements don't gain SP or STR from any stats. It will heal 2% regardless of what you do to it.



However, Seal of Righteousness

Gains damage from both Spell power and AP, as you can see if you hover over the ability.



It's not the judgement that deals damage anymore, it's the seal.

Formula;

Unleashing this Seal's energy will cause [1 + 0.2 * AP + 0.32 * SPH] Holy damage to an enemy.



AP = Attack Power.

SPH = Spell Power Holy.



And from this, you can see that to the judgements, each AP gives 0.2, and each SPH gives 0.32.

So you can conclude that 1 SP > 1 AP. 2 AP > 1 SP.



Notice the "+", damage is stacking.





// Jaxel.
 
ok, so the if the above post is correct, and 1 sp> 1 AP, and 2 AP>1 sp, then 30 sp and 15 strength would be equally good. Im trying to make this a true jack of all trade though, so having 30 sp would help for those clutch heals that are needed every once in a while. And truth be told, I would get aurastone with 30 sp but im a lazy fuck and plan on only grinding out the emblem shoulders.
 
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