Ore's guide "How to Hpall"

Grizzlefoot said:
cant something be said for prot's ability to lock a healer down for 10 secondd?
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Locking a healer down for 10 seconds requires being in range for an Avengers shield and by the time you get that off, you'd already be getting kited by any non brain dead healer that is well aware of the limits for a prot pally. In the case of being offense the fc and healer would have already dropped from roof making your ability near useless. Overall you can't rely on being close to a target with a spec that has no slows nor burst. But rather keeping the health bars of your offense up until the time is right to exospam.
 
Starting out with.

Hey the guide looks okay! -so far! :)



@ Last word also is not reliable because true-fully you never find yourself blowing a WoG on somone below 30% health. Your first priortity is always to Holy shock somone with low health followed by a FoL then a WoG for max Healing to full health. Which leaves this talent really a stalemate because is seems so "common sense" type yet it is rarely never "procs" for you.



Just my opinion.

I would anytime take Last Word over anything else. especially in your healing gear that have 25% crit youll end up on a 55% crit thinking of a 3HP wog crits 700 - 900.



In short words.

FOL heals for around 550

HS heals for around 190

3HP heals for 350



FOL Crits for around 1.1k

HS Crit for around 350

3HP crits for 700-900



So IF your wog crits (55%) (FoL and HS is 25%) you just did the healing 1 normal fol and holy shock would do. PLUS you saved 1.4sec(gcd & 1.3cast FOL) and 147 mana..(for the same healing amount)

"After the crit you can top him with whatever fits the occasion" HL FOL or just HS+WOG again

Tbh id rather use JOTP 3/3 since that atleast help on cast time for heals instead of BL

Keeping the 4.3 note in mind: Judgements of the Pure now also increases your mana regeneration from Spirit while in combat by 10/20/30%.



@yet it is rarely never "procs" for you.

I just jumped of the FP in org 25 times it critted 23 times in exactly the same gearset your using (and i dont have skinning since i flag carry)

And from my experience in general this talent is a life safer

Just to mention it. In my fc set 35% is 697hp (unbuffed)

30% would be 597hp



@(No real FC would let you even get in range of an Exospam)

Then why pick exo / hs dmg spec? (very misleading)



@Again unless your a permanent FC where no Hpall is

Im very permanent and any eu player with a brain/"knows the bracket" would drop the flag to me anytime i get close without even asking if im rdy cuz they know im one of the fastest flag clickers :)



And its 35% not 30% correct the "WoG on somone below 30% health"

Oh and at the belt add in (of the sorcerer) so baddies dont get mislead



-Chikoritá
 
Erícah said:
Starting out with.

Hey the guide looks okay! -so far! :)



@ Last word also is not reliable because true-fully you never find yourself blowing a WoG on somone below 30% health. Your first priortity is always to Holy shock somone with low health followed by a FoL then a WoG for max Healing to full health. Which leaves this talent really a stalemate because is seems so "common sense" type yet it is rarely never "procs" for you.



Just my opinion.

I would anytime take Last Word over anything else. especially in your healing gear that have 25% crit youll end up on a 55% crit thinking of a 3HP wog crits 700 - 900.



In short words.

FOL heals for around 550

HS heals for around 190

3HP heals for 350



FOL Crits for around 1.1k

HS Crit for around 350

3HP crits for 700-900



So IF your wog crits (55%) (FoL and HS is 25%) you just did the healing 1 normal fol and holy shock would do. PLUS you saved 1.4sec(gcd & 1.3cast FOL) and 147 mana..(for the same healing amount)

"After the crit you can top him with whatever fits the occasion" HL FOL or just HS+WOG again

Tbh id rather use JOTP 3/3 since that atleast help on cast time for heals instead of BL

Keeping the 4.3 note in mind: Judgements of the Pure now also increases your mana regeneration from Spirit while in combat by 10/20/30%.



@yet it is rarely never "procs" for you.

I just jumped of the FP in org 25 times it critted 23 times in exactly the same gearset your using (and i dont have skinning since i flag carry)

And from my experience in general this talent is a life safer

Just to mention it. In my fc set 35% is 697hp (unbuffed)

30% would be 597hp



@(No real FC would let you even get in range of an Exospam)

Then why pick exo / hs dmg spec? (very misleading)



@Again unless your a permanent FC where no Hpall is

Im very permanent and any eu player with a brain/"knows the bracket" would drop the flag to me anytime i get close without even asking if im rdy cuz they know im one of the fastest flag clickers :)



And its 35% not 30% correct the "WoG on somone below 30% health"

Oh and at the belt add in (of the sorcerer) so baddies dont get mislead



-Chikoritá
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Thanks for edit, Much appreciated. And i do understand your opinion yet, I based my talent tree on talents that will make the most difference through out the game



Judgement of the Pure 3/3- Honestly i wouldn't make this choice unless possibly it was in a premade situation because that exta 3% from 2/3 and 3/3 could likely be the difference of a "save" and death. But HS is a spell your constantly spamming through out a game and to not upgrade an Hpalls main spell to an even higher extent doesn't seem questionable at this point. I like the thoughts of the other 2 talents you can put the point in, but it just is used way to frequently to not take the chance to perfect it even more (Every 6 Seconds).
 
you should definately include races, which the best one is, why it is the best and pros and cons with the different races, other than that great guide
 
Hurrx said:
you should definately include races, which the best one is, why it is the best and pros and cons with the different races, other than that great guide
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Yeah i'm definitely making sure to go more in depth for my next big edit, covering sections like that.



Although i think people should pick classes because they are a fan of them or it's their "favorite looking". Not just because of it's racials.



Thanks
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i agree with you that having crit is a nice advantage in wsg in the fact that you can get a fc up to full health in just a few seconds though i do like prot for divinity and toughness but only if i have a healer otherwise i find it pointless tbh

my shockadin is almost finished
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These last 3 posters- clearly are not familiar with posting negatively cause to just say somethings bad without out giving any reason why is ludacris



I doubt you peasants play the class well, and just run around mid-field spamming Fol thinking your anywhere near legit



Mehcritkillu- You don't even have AGM,

0 professions



and shield of barrens is not BIS gtfo
 
Orebrb said:
These last 3 posters- clearly are not familiar with posting negatively cause to just say somethings bad without out giving any reason why is ludacris
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Welcome to my world.



Why do you choose Spidersilk Drape over say Ancient Bloodmoon Cloak for the "SITUATION: HELPING FC X-FIELD SET" I know hit is important but wouldn't the extra crit and haste be more beneficial to you if you're just assisting an FC?
 
Orebrb said:
These last 3 posters- clearly are not familiar with posting negatively cause to just say somethings bad without out giving any reason why is ludacris



I doubt you peasants play the class well, and just run around mid-field spamming Fol thinking your anywhere near legit



Mehcritkillu- You don't even have AGM,

you don't have AGM



and shield of barrens is not BIS gtfo
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Haha, so my opinoin shouldn't be counted in because I'm not BiS? Ericah made a long and well-thought argumentation if you scroll up a bit. I, aswell have told in other threads why this setup sucks.
 
Orebrb said:
These last 3 posters- clearly are not familiar with posting negatively cause to just say somethings bad without out giving any reason why is ludacris



I doubt you peasants play the class well, and just run around mid-field spamming Fol thinking your anywhere near legit



Mehcritkillu- You don't even have AGM,

you don't have AGM



and shield of barrens is not BIS gtfo
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50% of your guide is wrong the other 50% is common sense, your comment about BiS or gtfo shows how stupid you are, mecritkillu isnt a great paladin and i'm sure he would agree with that him self but phonebook and ericah (i wonna break my own fingers for typing this) are.



if i had to rate your guide 5/10 and thats mostly for the common sense parts <3
 
Good guide. Looked good. Didn't see any flaws, looked soo simple a brain dead chimp could understand this.



Other than a few grammar errors such as random words being capitalized it looked nice.



To be dully noted.. The bright (dark) colors made me wanna punch a hole in my screen and had to high-light some of the text at some points so I could read it without burning a dot or letter outline onto my retinas. And there were a few words that needed to be a bit bigger... Felt like I needed a magnifying glass at some points.



But again. All in all. Excellent guide. Just needs a few hot-fixes for the grammar may also want to include some info about other races, such as I've found for example Belf's have more crit than others by like 2% for whatever reason. And everything for Ally side. But again. other than those minor details. Would give an 8.5 out of 10 in my book.
 
Orebrb said:
These last 3 posters- clearly are not familiar with posting negatively cause to just say somethings bad without out giving any reason why is ludacris



I doubt you peasants play the class well, and just run around mid-field spamming Fol thinking your anywhere near legit



Mehcritkillu- You don't even have AGM,

you don't have AGM



and shield of barrens is not BIS gtfo
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I don't condone the way they criticised, without giving any proper feedback, besides Ericah.



But the way in which you reply to them is rather childish and uneccessary also.



No offence intended, but you also ignored the logic in Ericahs post.



Rogues will pressure you, regardless of your "positioning".



And when two+ rogues are ontop of your, you're forced to pop CDs. A full Crit set allows you to outheal ONE rogues damage via Instant Heals critting.



Your item sets for Healing and FCing go from one extreme to another, full Cloth near enough, to full Armor.



Of course there's situations where you'd use a Full Armor set while FCing, but to instantly dub it the best item set while FCing is just naive.



Perhaps the % of aware players in EU PuGs is far greater.



Orebrb said:
If you are a healer, being concerned with stamina/armor and not putting in the stats to make you the best healer you can be is selfish. Their are basic methods to bi-pass being an easy target for damage.





-BoP-ing ones self and other basic Hpall (get aways) such as Hoj etc..

- Terrain Jumps

-PLACEMENT, PLACEMENT, PLACEMENT AWARENESS

-Staying ahead of Flag carrier
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This is the most absurd thing I've ever heard.



You can't heal if you're dead.



Placement won't stop inbred Rogues DuoAmbushing you.



Your guide seems to be aimed at games where you'd cross mid with no problems and where you'd not be targetted, not due to "positioning", but due to blind mongoloids on the other team.



Orebrb said:
Last word also is not reliable because true-fully you never find yourself blowing a WoG on somone below 35% health. Your first priortity is always to Holy shock somone with low health followed by a FoL then a WoG for max Healing to full health. Which leaves this talent really a stalemate because is seems so "common sense" type yet it is rarely never "procs" for you.

BLAZING LIGHT Exorcism as a spell might be the most significant "spell to cast-time ratio" ability in the bracket other than pendanse. Raising the damage done by it and your main spell as a Hpall holy shock makes this choice in reality a no brainer.
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This is also misleading.



You get ambushed by a Rogue in your Crit Set.



Oh no I have less than 35% health.



I WoG and crit for 700 and from then on have no problems/don't have to pop a CD to peel the Rogue, yay.



If you're assisting your FC then Blazing Light is absolutely useless.



Unless you have proper CC on your D, i.e a Frost Mage, but even then that's not an accurate representation of an average PuG.



Why does increasing the Damage your Holy Shock do make Blazing Light a no brainer? The way you're talking about it looks like your thinking it makes Holy Shock heal for 10% more, which it doesn't.



Make an average Healing Set and an Armor Based healing set, and include them into the guide.



Fanatic said:
Welcome to my world.



Why do you choose Spidersilk Drape over say Ancient Bloodmoon Cloak for the "SITUATION: HELPING FC X-FIELD SET" I know hit is important but wouldn't the extra crit and haste be more beneficial to you if you're just assisting an FC?
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The only reason Spidersilk Drape is used at all is to Hit Cap.



Ancient Bloodmoon Cloak does not achieve this and is outclassed by Tumultuous Cloak of the Sorceror in every way, shape and form.



Don't get me wrong, I have a full Cloth Crit set, and its healing output is ridiculous, but you have to include in your guide, that when you know the opposing team has competent rogues, that will target and blow you up, you swap to a tankier Healing Set.



You can't position yourself against Stealth. Of course you can hug a Frost Mage and hope they'll peel them off you, but you don't get useful Frost Mages in average PuGs.



There's a time and place to use a full Crit Set, you need to differentiate between when it's good to use and when it isn't.



And if you believe it's the best set regardless of # of Rogues then you need a reality check.
 
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