Operation: 60

[Títan-ArgentConquest]

Sporeggar... the lowest populated server in the EU, and possibly one of the lowest in the world.

Over the last 2 years I've seen friends move to different realms, and in the last 2 weeks, two of the top Alliance guilds on the server have moved to Defias Brotherhood, it's upsetting to see friends move away, but we try to carry on...

We..: we are Argent Conquest, currently the only 60 Guild based on Sporeggar, we're on the Alliance side, and have recently had many, about 4 - 5, members come back from inactivity.

So, on 8/6/12, several, 6, members this including myself and the guild master, had a Guild meeting on the matter of what to do with Argent Conquest, were we to move to a new realm, as we need support to raid etc. Then our guild master told us about "Project Ahn'Qiraj" were a group of 60s tried to create a large 60 guild on the server Ahn'Qiraj and invited 60s from Cross other realms to join them in a big Meeting.

We are going to copy them, but we shall do one better, we propose to turn Sporeggar into the Vanilla Realm, that every 60 is dying for. And we won't stop till we succeed, don't think, that we'll get bored and pass this off, this is real and going to happen!

Blizzard have reported that they have no plans to create a Vanilla Realm, where the top level is 60 etc.

We can't make a top level on Sporeggar, but what we can do is bring in an overpowering amount of 60s to the realm, Not just in alliance however.

If Horde is more your style, we would love you to join Sporeggar, in creating the First 60 Horde Guild on the Realm, and bring World Player vs. Player (WPVP) to Sporeggar, 60 STYLE!

The Date for the meeting to yet to be announced, but stay tuned and we will have more information.

Tell Friends about this, and look for us on Sporeggar, this is going all round the EU, and it's not just me that's Posting.

Copy and Paste this to other Forums. WE ARE MAKING A VANILLA REALM!


A DATE FOR THE MEETING ON SPOREGGAR, IS YET TO BE DECIDED, SO STAY TUNED ON FORUMS OR CONTACT US IN-GAME.

 

[Vánie]

good luck

 

[Gúts-ArgentConquest]

For those of you who want more information regarding the above post, I can tell you this so far:

The date for the meeting will be decided within the week, and Títan will edit his posts to tell all of those who are interested about the confirmed date. It will be in the near future (at least 2 months away) to gather significant publicity, through the 'snowball-effect' of people sharing information.

If it seems unlikely that this will work, then do your bit to help, as this cause will be nothing without people sharing it to their guild facebook-pages, or discussing it on vent servers, or even just telling one person from your guild about it... Even if you don't play your twink anymore, copying and pasting this takes about 20 seconds, which is well worth it to even attempt to establish an unofficial 'vanilla-realm'.

I also understand that people will be skeptical about whether or not others are genuinely going to transfer to our server. So I will reveal part of my plan to you now:

1) - If you are anxious about transferring a character without knowing if others will do the same (as you rightly should be ) then the first phase of this whole endeavour is to have people make an alt on out server. If we got, say... 50 people making alt characters on our server in the first day, following the meeting, then you could either level that to 60, or just use this to dispel your fears about more people moving here.

In short:
-make an alt on Sporeggar following the meeting (or beforehand if you wish)
-count the number of new accounts making alts within the guild
-decide whether or not you want to move a twink here, or level one from scratch.

Finally, I would like to encourage you to check out other forums where this same thing has been posted. If you really want to help, you can both share, and bump these posts to others, and also, information updates may reahc some forums faster than others, so please check out all of this stuff.

---
To all twinks out there in europe, our pvp was thriving in cataclysm at the start, but once again is dying. You can quit twinking, or you can work towards getting organised pvp and raids out of what remains of the twink population. We aim to bolster the organised side of twinking by working with fellow guilds, and creating this new twink community.

Sporeggar is low populated, but the lack of 85s may actually benefit us, in creating the classic World of Warcraft server that we all seek, and Blizzard has yet to make.

-Gúts
<GM of Argent Conquest>

 

[Metamorfos]

This is indeed a copy of the "AQ Project". While it went good at start, it didn't last that long. I don't regret actively partaking in it. However, I really wonder how you guys are going to pull of a longlasting 60 guild.

Sporregar is probably one of the least populated English servers (even less than Ahn'Qiraj). How are you going to assure easy access to enchants/glyphs and mats for profession leveling? Wouldn't it be a better idea to roll another medium to high pop server where an existing 60 community is, like Outland?

Also, you can't really make a "Vanilla Realm" by gathering a bunch of 60's on a low pop server. If you really want to make a vanilla realm, learn how to script one and start you private server.

(Yes, I am pessimistic about this, sorry.)

 

[Títan-ArgentConquest]

It's fine to be doubtful about the idea, and it's absolutely understandable. The reason we chose Sporeggar, is that the 60 Community on the server is very close nit, everyone knows everyone at the moment, and with there being a low populated server, new 85s are not going to be looking to start a fresh on the server, therefore it's ours for the taking (so to speak).

I don't pressure people into transferring their beloved 60 twink to the server, all I ask is that you make a Level1 Human for the Meeting, once we know the numbers of people interested you can by all means transfer to the server, OR Level a new character to 60, this would be an advantage to the guild, the server and yourself.

And of course, if Horde is where your at, bring it up in the meeting, I know for a fact that Horde have less players than Alliance on Sporeggar, and Argent Conquest we be behind any Horde 60 Guild created on Sporeggar, we will also arrange WPVP Events.

I know times and realms have changed, so that perhaps raids on cities will be slightly harder with the aspect of Level 85 and 90 Guards, but that should not discourage us. And once a few people join, more will hear of it, and more will come.

We shall not Give Up!

 

[Sayune]

Why you guys don`t move to Outland,
we got the same idea and be part of this project since 1 Month about.

Our Alliance Guild is growing atm,therefore we looking for more dedicated Players.
Our Focus is and will ever be the PvP-Part.But if we find a great Stuff-Team,PvE Events could be also Part of this Project.

Outland is BIS for Open PvP,cuz you got @every time some RND Players slacking around in Hellfire =>
In generally we`d have a huge Pool of Members for Events like

-Wargaming (AV)
-Open PvP on TBC-Isle ....
-Working BGs

Our Horde Guild has got atm 100 Members,daily kicking out the inactive ones!

It would be up to you guys,Outland is the Best Server for such Projects,cuz the Server isn`t dead as the most are.
I mean srsly on which Server 85s are looking for "Open PvP" due the /4 Channel?

Hi all together,


we want to present you our new PvP procject named „Outland 60's Gaming“. It's a continuation of our first project „<Extinction> Outland-EU Horde“. 5 months later we've founded „Dawn of Annihilation“ an alliance guild on the same server and renamed Extinction to "Dawn of Extinction". The idea is to create two different pvp guilds on one server, wich are completely independed of any queue times for battlegrounds or wargames. That means server intern open-PvP-events, arena and bg's whenever we want to. We need more active horde and alliance players, we need your help to spread and realize this plan.




What we expect from you:


- activity in battlegrounds, open PvP and wargames
- adequate PvP-experience
- full enchanted gear
- usage of professions, potions, flasks and bufffood for improved stats
- personal maturity
- installed AV-Preform Enabler, Teamspeak³ and headset




What we can offer:


- experienced and best in slot geared players
- activity and maturity
- players from different nations
- open PvP 24/7
- wargames (+ Wargame 5vs5 Guild-Rep-Boosting), pugs
- PvE events (just for fun - MC, AQ10)










Guild-Informations



[H] Dawn of Extinction



Guild-Leader: Ruïn

Officers: Leichnam, Fehron

guild-level: 25

HP: extinction-guild.eu

Forum: extinction-guil.eu/index.php/forum

Battle.net: Dawn of Extinction @ Outland - Game Guide - World of Warcraft





[A] Dawn of Annihilation



Guild-Leader: Ruined

Officers: Kaleídoscope

guild-level: 1

HP: -

Forum: -

Battle.net: Dawn of Annihilation @ Outland - Game Guide - World of Warcraft





We're still looking for members (no matter wich class) for both guilds, especially for our alliance guild! Message us here or ingame.



Greetings,


Leichnam.

mfg Sayune aka. Ruïn

Its just a bit strange than everytime ppl want to make a project it fails hard after some weeks/days;because the staff isn`t that great that they want to be.
AQ-Project leaded a kid who ran after äpics.Mostly GMs ragequit or playing other twinks or chars of them and the guild/project fails.

We are existing about 6-7 Months atm and got a really mature Core 20+ Years..our Goal is to create a little Community with the active 60s Gaming Core!
We don`t want to create a massive Project as <DMO>.In MOP we will kick about 60% of our Guild-Members to create such "Elite-Twinking" Guild,
so if you`re dedicated enaugh we`d be the right place =>

 

[Gúts-ArgentConquest]

Its just a bit strange than everytime ppl want to make a project it fails hard after some weeks/days;because the staff isn`t that great that they want to be.
AQ-Project leaded a kid who ran after äpics.Mostly GMs ragequit or playing other twinks or chars of them and the guild/project fails.

We are existing about 6-7 Months atm and got a really mature Core 20+ Years..our Goal is to create a little Community with the active 60s Gaming Core!
We don`t want to create a massive Project as <DMO>.In MOP we will kick about 60% of our Guild-Members to create such "Elite-Twinking" Guild,
so if you`re dedicated enaugh we`d be the right place =>

This is exactly what I said to my guild about the AQ project not being able to control the crowd, and the GM just wanted to have a big 60 guild... I think you and I are of the same mind when it comes to the importance of dedicated staff and don't worry, this GM will not ragequit. He never does

However, that last comment makes me wonder if it's really worth us merging with you, as if you are going to kick 60% of your members in the next expansion, then some of my members may transfer for nothing. Although, if that happens, we could just start another guild on the same server, to be part of the world pvp and organised BG queueing... How do you intend to run world pvp on the most massively populated server in europe, btw?

Or is the kicking of 60% of the people just because the project aims to get 60s to your server, to start their own guilds after the project finishes? In which case, that's not a bad idea...

Also, if your primary guild is as successful as you say it is... And they are horde, while DMO are alliance (and massive) how come there are no random BGs?

Fill me in, please

 

[Sayune]

....

we kicking,because we don`t need ppl who are inactive for monthes => Most guilds just let all twinks stay in,no matters how "dedicated" they are.We don`t need ppl which just are hunting for epics without the dedication we`re looking for =>

A Player who is online just to farm Epics is not a Player we want to,we want players who stay active....playing BGs,making Pugs,doing Wargames and killing enemies in the Open World.
In generally we looking for the core of players with which we can work together,players who are online when they say they will be on on the setted times.

We want players who don`t ragequit in BGs and Players who don`t GY-Camp.In generally really honoured ones who should be famous of their fair playstyle =>

-BIS Gear for BGs (socket + Ingi) to get down the 64s =>
-Classic Gear for Wargames (t1 Tournament for example) to reenjoy the "balance"

We kick create such dedciated small community,where everyone is active ...than we`ll egt surely BGs =>


<DMO> is a purely PvE Guild wich are almost doing raids 5days/week and who don`t really playing bgs =(
Therefore we created our Horde-Guild....but also alliance was slacking,therefore we founded an Alliance-Guild =>

mfg

(We don`t will kick active PPL,just inactive)

If you guys would join us,we`d have a strong Alliance-Side and @least we`d have bgs =)

 

[Gúts-ArgentConquest]

A BG popped yesterday for the first time in ages... Don't know if it was a fluke or some premade, but I think we will see what happens with our plans for a while. Responses have been positive so far on EU Forums, and people have started making alts on our server. But we'd love to do BGs with you, and eventually, we may be able to have an Alterac Valley game, if say your guilds, DMO, and our (hopefully well populated by then) guild all organised times to queue, etc... We want to work with you, but first we have to have a successful project. I don't like the idea so much of a large 60 guild in a server that is full to burtsing with cataclysm players, that will probably take pleasure in interrupting world pvp events, etc...

We will see what happens in the next few weeks. I've also told my guild members about your project, in case they would rather join yours than ours.

It will be hard to accomplish this, but damn it, I'm going to try.

 

[Sayune]

The thing is if you wanna roll a new project...

Why beginning a new one on Sporeggar instead of helping to
perfectionice our project =>

If the 60s bracket is alive again we surely will split the project in more than one guild to create a little 60 Project with one leadership for getting bgs up as soon as possible after mop release

2 Projects on 2 different Realms are bit crap.... No really wargaming or mass open pvp.
Weve chosen Outland because of its fullness to provide pvp when queues are fucked up again.With the right leadership and event planning team we could easy make

-Time Raiding
-Mass Open PvP with rules
-Own Classic BGs (with our rules) t1 5vs5 or av (10vs10)
N-Reputation Farming (Guild Rep)
-Premade BGs on high level with fairness
-Tournaments with loot
-60vs70

On Outland as one of the fullest Server you got so much more fun.
I would transfer to Outland again if Id be on a dead Server like The Shatar,
you cant imagine how great it is to fight with 10 60s against 70+ and ofc 85 and winning =>

As more we are and as more wanna help building up this as better the queues will work.
We giving our best in supporting and getting this bracket alive again till wow dies.

But @least we need everyone we can get and whos dedicated enaugh to get this damn working!

You could make your own project but @the End we'd be more successfull with one Server Project.As bigger it will grow the more join and when its going too Big we will split with the goal to get AV work.On one Server its much easier to get bgs up than crossrealm.

Bgs popping faster because the highest system priority is to get ppl of same realm/reamgroup.We wont have this times where we dont know when to queue.We set our own times because we've have really high activity on both sides to provide for sure bgs at setted times.

64 could be outplayed by queuing with a whole raid if we want,including real ids.

Its up to you guys if you wanna bgs without waiting time and dont hanging in 6h queues...if we say we queue now bgs will pop...its easier...we want to be independent of guild,cuz always these guilds are focusing on pve and cant queue while playing in really hard mc....we focus on fun and pvp....pve is in the most eyes just boring.Only if you need items youre joining those...if your BIS you make a new twink and joining those...because you've no content any more.

We'll create content....

If you wanna have fun back instead of waiting times than yojd be right in our rows.We need some staff-members to get this work as we want to =>

Regulary AV and balanced Gaming is our Goal.

Mfg Ruïn

We will get this work with or without you,with you guys it would surely a better start in mop with our PvP part.

Mfg ruïn

 

[Manaki]

Well, i agree that 60s should all be on one realm and those lazy people who cba to transfer are just trying to set up new ones, however the sha'tar has always been the biggest 60 realm since forever. I know you used to be on there, and i know you xfered because 'they only did pve' but 400 level 60 alliance members vs 20 on outland..

 

[Sayune]

Maybe,but the Server is totally crap.

I mean why open pvp on a pve Server if you can have an PvP one,
where nobody is safe @any time.Open pvp is only making that kind of fun if it happens rnd and if ppl are forced to kill and protect.

This whole PvE-Twinking is in my opinion totally false,most of those guys who are raiding in dmo
arent and wont ever be teinks.When I was there it was 1-2 times kind of funny but than...booooring.
It was only cool to see so much 60s on one place....but @the end I realied that half of the raid was afking and brain afk....no tactic..nothing...brainless rushing and those ppl queue than for bgs
and wonder why they die...and Q.q around...unenchanted.

Maybe 1-10% of them can PvP,most of them are epic griefing guys =>

DmO wasnt the only PvE Guild I was in...ppl getting BIS and than they disappear.
Thats non sence...why you believe Alliance is screwed up in bgs¿

Because they mostly got Crap twinks...lets better say they got Levelchars,not twinks.
And thats because of PPL making such PvE Projects...it destroys the PvP Part.

I only know 2-3 of Dmo who were active pvping of !400!

We were only 80 back than and got sometimes about 15-20 in queue fully geared till Queues broke because of Real twinking.If everyone would equip Bis 64 wouldnt be that strong they are atm.

Therefore we founded an alliance guild...to get BIS twinks on both sides....who playing active and thats the only way to balance and rescue the bracket.

Queues would surely broke again if you wanna carry 4k Hp Monster Twinks...
I enjoyed the time in Only Hardmode...last summer,there was such a decdnt balance.

Btt

Such a project needs a PvP Realm ... I dont wanna miss our events,
I mean srsly such open pvp events making fun and helps the guild to stick together and enjoying the bracket.If you only pugging and unaiviable queue times showing than you quit till it works again.

Dmo is nice for gearing up,but after it...no thy.Familiar guilds and pvp focused ones are the ones who will keep this bracket alive and as I said....

PvP Realm - Cool time betwedn pops
PvE Realm - Bored as hell

mfg

Outland is one of a few where open pvp is daily....also @85
There it haynt died...jet

mfg

 

[Powervirus]

Sayune, i was officer of hardmode, my gawd it was useless fin was the worst guild leader ive seen. He didnt want to pvp unless he had me healing on my priest with a resto shammy and a holy pala. here at psychosis we done our best on AQ to keep it alive, we had 8 people attack the 35 of hardmode, for them to get 85's as much as i love pvp realms all that happens is a poor kid will complain about losing a fight and get a 85 to kill people :| happened so many times and thats why pve realms are better, as once the 85's there you dont have to get camped, imo but still gl

 

[Sayune]

I know ;-)

I liked just the working pvp back in the time,it was awesome to queue with such a lot of twinks,the guild itself wasnt that great.Myself wanted have some HardMode PvE,not that mass pve facerolling in the raids.
Its a lot more epic to clear an raid with a handful of twinks who know what to do and dont are that braindead as the most pve 60s guys are.

The kind of pve which most 60s guild are doing are just "lol".

PvP Servers,who are totally full have the positive attribute to get every few minutes some victims.
If you know the right spots you can have real fun,on pve Servers maybe you cant get killed by 85s
but that has nothing to do with open pvp.

It was so epic back the days,because of the rnd action between stupid farming of
some stuff.I never will forget how cool it was @least fighting guild vs guild,because one mate get ganked ;-)

Therefore guild has been existing...and that community feeling you only can get on a Pvp Server.
I mean ganking a 85s after he ganks one of your mates is really cool.
As more we are,the more open pvp battles are.

Its esspecially fun Guild vs Guild fight on some secret places and spots.

Aq was one of the crappiest Server I was ever on...totally dead and screwed.
Outland is a total other thing,you must be part of one of such battles to love the Server.

And what could be more epic like an av wargame,where the winner gets rewarded.
There you can pvp with rules like Classic Only and have decent fun.

If my vid is finished you will see some of those battles Im talking about =>

Mfg

 

[Leichnam]

This is exactly what I said to my guild about the AQ project not being able to control the crowd, and the GM just wanted to have a big 60 guild... I think you and I are of the same mind when it comes to the importance of dedicated staff and don't worry, this GM will not ragequit. He never does

However, that last comment makes me wonder if it's really worth us merging with you, as if you are going to kick 60% of your members in the next expansion, then some of my members may transfer for nothing. Although, if that happens, we could just start another guild on the same server, to be part of the world pvp and organised BG queueing... How do you intend to run world pvp on the most massively populated server in europe, btw?

Or is the kicking of 60% of the people just because the project aims to get 60s to your server, to start their own guilds after the project finishes? In which case, that's not a bad idea...

Also, if your primary guild is as successful as you say it is... And they are horde, while DMO are alliance (and massive) how come there are no random BGs?

Fill me in, please

1st We're only kicking just because of inactivity and breaking guild rules.
2nd When xp locked bg's were popping there was no PvP guild that could beat us!
3rd Seriously? DMO? I've seen about 5 DMO-members the last months. You should get more informations before talking crap. It's a 97% PvE guild on a rp-pvp server.

A BG popped yesterday for the first time in ages... Don't know if it was a fluke or some premade, but I think we will see what happens with our plans for a while. Responses have been positive so far on EU Forums, and people have started making alts on our server. But we'd love to do BGs with you, and eventually, we may be able to have an Alterac Valley game, if say your guilds, DMO, and our (hopefully well populated by then) guild all organised times to queue, etc... We want to work with you, but first we have to have a successful project. I don't like the idea so much of a large 60 guild in a server that is full to burtsing with cataclysm players, that will probably take pleasure in interrupting world pvp events, etc...

We will see what happens in the next few weeks. I've also told my guild members about your project, in case they would rather join yours than ours.

It will be hard to accomplish this, but damn it, I'm going to try.

Guess why it popped... We where queueing with our 2 PvP guilds ....

ps: dunno whats going on in sayune's head... merging 2 guilds lol... *faceplant*

 

[Leichnam]

nvm this discussion is senseless - good luck with your project!

Greetings,
Leichnam

 

[Sayune]

Im talking of getting more members to Outland as we wanted to =>

If more Alliance and Horde would be coming to join us we could get more bgs and better ones.Its was just an idea of mine that those Sporeggars join us to archieve our highest goals.... Working bgs from
the afternoon till late night every day ;-)

Btw:

How many bgs popped and with how many youd queued Leichnam on our both sides?

edit:Why you should hold twinks in your guild who never are active gaming?Who only pug and go off for the rest of the week?We surely dont kick active ppl,
we just dont need 60s who are inactive thats it.

There are enaugh places for open pvp where never a 85s shows off =>

As more we are the better bgs will work.
Dunno why you think such merging is bad,wasnt it
you who wanna bgs.

Focus surely will stay pvp =>
Mfg

 

[Gúts-ArgentConquest]

you cant imagine how great it is to fight with 10 60s against 70+ and ofc 85 and winning

Done that already. Our guild is not one of those that has never had active people. We had 21 online for a MC run a few months back, and can get about 10 online at once at a push now. We've killed an 85 warlock and back in wrath we killed an 80 warrior and dk that tried to steal our Azuregos kill.

BGs are easier to do on the same realm, aye, but not too much easier. If you message me and say "we're ready" and I do the same, then everyone queues for it, we're sorted. World pvp is better with more on the server, but as I said before, your server is the one in europe that you are most likely to encounter 85s in the open world. Of course, I know that we 60s are capable of killing them in groups, but it can still ruin an event, if you just want to focus on the 60s facing eachother in your 'tournaments with loot'.

Our server is low populated, but people have started making characters already, and our bank is overflowing with T1 epics to start people off, and a whole tab is full of the materials to make the legendary items, which balances out with the slightly-dead auction house.

Your guild is PvP based, DMO is PvE based. I want a balance... If I told my members we should move to your project, then, first of all... A lot of our members aren't fully twinked yet. Some members have just started raiding, only have some gear, but are showing potential already. - I will not abandon them.

We've now had 9 new alts made in the guild, and this has only been running for 4-5 days.

And all of this together doesn't make Alterac Valley impossible for the future. If I can organise this thing, I can definitely get us an AV game with the right numbers of people...

(If this post seems like I'm hindering the 60 bracket for my own guild, that's not it. This is not just some random thread made by an idealistic guildmaster, I will actually accomplish something from this, I can see it now. I really hope that both your guild and my guild succeed in our projects, as it will make things so much better for the bracket).

-Gúts

 

[Sayune]

Its your choice @the end,I just wanted to tell that such a project is existing and would be better to union on one Server than making 2 Projects,where maybe ppl are left.

Atm you got a middle populated ally-guild and want to built up a Horde one,
we got 2 well working guild,the most active Horde Guild EU and a "middle" active
Alliance Guild...together we'd perfect balance...

Maybe you get me wrong...Im not perfekt in english,just nooby xD

We surely focus on PvP but that doesn't mean that we aren't doing PvE.
We dont raid 60s intern yet,because the queues dont work and we havent got a staff which is interested to Raid on 1-2 days.Most of us playing for a really long time and farming the raids every week.
So we arent interested in leading.

The one thing which is for myself the important one,is to wargame av with specific rules which decrease the dmg output insane,this only works intern cuz its easier to plan and making it real over one staff team.

And its totally false that 85s are everywhere.There are a few places which are hidden and unnecessary for 85s => For example these cute tombs where nobody can get there except them who know how to get there.

Over If the snow places.....such areas are existing everywhere.These areas are completely dead because there arent players or anything else.This are the places where you can have huge fun.
Managing a 60s spot with HS-Rule ... etc. its quiet easy to manage such things if enaugh activity on the Server =>

And we don't really wanna act crossrealmed....we tried it many times and
at the end it fails.Therefore we build up our guilds,to be independent
of Dmo or Thunderfury....or Rnds.You cant plan with those.

We reaching for quality and you get it.
When Im back InGame I'll restructure a bit with our Staff.

Btw. why raiding with 60s if its going faster with 85s with the same brain afk mode.
If you wanna have fun....play without enchants and talents...
or going Raids with as minor as possible ppl.

That could maybe be fun,going with 20 ppl is just lame =>
I know from what Im Talking...

Newcomers and levlers come and go...real twinks stay.
And also if youd be only about 5 really active twinks...it would be enaugh to get queues working.
We are only "100" in Extinction because we looking for esspecially those
who are dedicated and active...how fast those xp-lock guilds are rising and falling?

Looking for pve recruits the mass,lf pvp the minority.
If we'd begin with pving the same we pvp we'd have on both sides
a huge influation.But we dont want,because we want to be small =>
So were looking for the twinks who can rescue the bracket.

But as I said....if we'll have some staff for pve we would pve
and splitting the guilds.Atm the bracket dies because no pvp.
If it would work perfect more interested ppl would look for raiding guilds.

You can pve with a minority,but getting the queues up regulary is a lot of harder work weve focused
on.

Its up to you again,Im out of this now =>

We surely get our bgs up and surely will dominating the bgs
with our both guilds and I know for sure that there will be
enaugh ppl for an av one day....

But we dont'll cooperate crossrealmed again,we making our
own way,its better for the queues....

Mfg

 

[Gúts-ArgentConquest]

Maybe you get me wrong...Im not perfekt in english,just nooby xD
Mfg

Don't worry about it xD You speak English very well.

As for the rest of what you've said. There's a lot of sense and logic there that remind me of my thought process when making this project... I will think on it, for now. The meeting will go ahead as planned, and I will mention both our projects, for the sake of the players. So that they can have the twink experience they want

MEETING DATE IS 8/8/2012. Time TBA.

I hope for a good turnout