new monk 26/28/29

[Snack]

Stacking any 1 stat over all others is bad. So even if you found a way to get 700 more HP on a level 28 in BGs, you're not doing yourself any favors by gimping your other stats. Unless you want to be an FC who rolls with pocket heals, you aren't going to be effective at anything else.

I don't think you get the point... If he was able to get 700 more HP at lvl 28 than he would have at lvl 29 cause of scaling, he would be able to gain a lot of stats through scaling even when balancing them out. Like at 29 he might have 100 agi and 100 stamina, and at 28 have 90 agi and 90 stamina, but through scaling in BG's he would, at lvl 28, have 110 agi and 110 stamina. Just using random numbers to describe the scenario

 

[willix]

I don't think you get the point... If he was able to get 700 more HP at lvl 28 than he would have at lvl 29 cause of scaling, he would be able to gain a lot of stats through scaling even when balancing them out. Like at 29 he might have 100 agi and 100 stamina, and at 28 have 90 agi and 90 stamina, but through scaling in BG's he would, at lvl 28, have 110 agi and 110 stamina. Just using random numbers to describe the scenario

Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. He stated that he had 7200 hp in a BG at 28, without AGM. I've seen 29s that have over 8k in a skirmish, 10k with MoT/Fort Brew popped. If he's not even hitting the upper limits of HP with scaling on a 28, then he's not gaining anything extra over 29s. Even if he got double AGM that's only another 414 HP, even if scaling gave him 2 extra stam on each AGM (being generous), that's still only 460 hp. As I said before, there's nothing to be gained by staying 28.

 

[Snack]

Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. He stated that he had 7200 hp in a BG at 28, without AGM. I've seen 29s that have over 8k in a skirmish, 10k with MoT/Fort Brew popped. If he's not even hitting the upper limits of HP with scaling on a 28, then he's not gaining anything extra over 29s. Even if he got double AGM that's only another 414 HP, even if scaling gave him 2 extra stam on each AGM (being generous), that's still only 460 hp. As I said before, there's nothing to be gained by staying 28.

I don't get your negative attitude towards staying lvl 28? Have you tried it? Have you spoken to anyone who has tried it? If no, you have no chance of knowing how scaling works, and if you could potientially gain some stats, since most BiS gear at 29 is accuireable at lvl 28 as well.

 

[kratos]

Well this thread has defiantly peaked my interest!
I can say after going through a quick search of what's available to a level 26 vs a level 29 non grandfathered BM Monk ; a 26 should be able to have a build with both more stamina and agility then a 29 non grandfathered with scaling.
I can't confirm this until I test out the scaling of certain BOE's at level 26; namely Brawler Gloves, Silver-Lined Belt, and Harbinger Boots; since at this point we can assume all BOAs will have higher properties than their level 29 counterpart. Once I know for sure though I can go through and record all of my findings so we can be absolutely sure!

 

[willix]

I don't get your negative attitude towards staying lvl 28? Have you tried it? Have you spoken to anyone who has tried it? If no, you have no chance of knowing how scaling works, and if you could potientially gain some stats, since most BiS gear at 29 is accuireable at lvl 28 as well.

Scaling has been around for a bit. We've thoroughly tested it in other brackets and found it to be less than stellar compared to going to the cap for that bracket. Then you factor in the F2Ps who have significantly less stats than level 29s even with scaling, and you want to argue about how level 28 is all of a sudden going to offer this magical difference that makes it better than being 29?

I personally don't care if you choose to stick with level 28 or not. I'm just offering my opinion on the matter based on the facts we've seen: it offers no benefits over going 29. It's not like we haven't seen people experimenting with scaling in BGs since 6.0 or anything.

 

[Swoops]

Scaling has been around for a bit. We've thoroughly tested it in other brackets and found it to be less than stellar compared to going to the cap for that bracket. Then you factor in the F2Ps who have significantly less stats than level 29s even with scaling, and you want to argue about how level 28 is all of a sudden going to offer this magical difference that makes it better than being 29?

I personally don't care if you choose to stick with level 28 or not. I'm just offering my opinion on the matter based on the facts we've seen: it offers no benefits over going 29. It's not like we haven't seen people experimenting with scaling in BGs since 6.0 or anything.

The biggest difference right now is that BoA scaling seems bugged. It looks like they're going up double the number of levels.

I started looking at hunter numbers (20/22/24/28) and these have been the stats on the BoA gun scaled up from each:

20: 9 agil, 16 crit, 41-77 damage
22: 9 agil, 15 crit, 39-74 damage
24: 8 agil, 15 crit, 37-70 damage
28: 7 agil, 13 crit, 32-61 damage

If you look at the slider on wowhead (Upgraded Dwarven Hand Cannon - Item - World of Warcraft), the stats are scaling from 20 => 38, 22 => 36, 24 => 34 and 28 => 30.

All the other BoAs are following the same pattern (chest on a 20 scales up to 12 agil/17 stam/12 crit).

If it was working correctly, there'd be much less of a case for lower levels. Right now it's a lot more debatable though.

 

[tomxoqt]

Surely BoAs double dipping scaling is unintended. I expect a fix will be implemented, but, due to the insignificance of the issue, not for a long time.