new laptop

[Falkor]

have fun with your new comp.

thx, i will. just shipped out today, so in 5-7days (minus sundays) i should have it!

hehe lol. seems you are not in the bizniz.

uh...i have no idea what bizniz you are refering to, thats a pretty damn broad stroke and could mean a lot of things. so no?

well, most of the people will be fine using a windows pc... but that has nothing to do with a good product.

i agree people will be fine w/o an overpriced mac. for instance my brother is an industrial designer and swears by his PC for work with photoshop, auto cad, adobe, etc. clearly a pc is a good product and can be used for "bizniz" work, be it creating/editing movies, pictures, or designing objects.

the 'good product' mac offers is an overpriced box filled with proprietary parts. it's selling point is aesthetics...which is fine if you're into that. id rather have the power and upgradeability of a pc. if your selling point is on the OS, thats fine. mine is on the power of the system as a whole. and since you're clearly in the 'bizniz', wouldnt you rather use the OS that has the most supported programs? just get a firewall and stop using free porn sites if you're that worried about 'protection'.



for the price of a mac i could hand build a pc thats faster and more futureproof (lol oxymoron, but still). and it would look better imo. but hey, clearly you're a mover and shaker in the 'bizniz', so enjoy that. have fun with osx & blowing steve jobs.

i'm not goin to jump on your arguments, but they are pointless. far off tbh. lets's end this discussion here

psh jump away my good sir. i'd like to think of them as very unpointless, i think ive raised some good points. show how far off they are, pls.

this is the tavern! no discussion shall be prematurely ended on my watch!!!!

 

[Bansil]

there are some mistakes...



1. mac computers are not expensive. the problem is, that you compare them to the wrong PCs. if you take a look at the business/high class dells, compaqs ...more... you will notice, that the price is almost the same. sometimes in favour of mac, somtimes in favour of pc.



2. proprietary parts is a HUGE plus. while windows systems have to support a huge variety of parts, the mac only needs to support a few of them. and it does it better. that's the same thing PCs do in a higher price range. build proprietary machines and ensure they are working fine.



3. the power of todays computers is HUGE. they are powerful enough, that there is a market for small and power saving systems already! OS > marginal hardware advantages (if there are any).



4. OSX is THE selling point for sure. it is by far the better OS. and when you really really need a windows software and there is nothing that can make up for it, you just install a virtual machine and use it.



5. a handbuild PC is nothing to compare with a mac. in no way you are able to even buy a tower like the mac pro one. plx do not compare apples with oranges. btw, the mac pro has an integrated 4 slot raid with independent sata channels, optional SAS raid5, xeons, ...and your comp?

and aren't we talking about mobile computers here? handbuild?



6. apple computers are focused on professional usage. 95% of all computers i have seen are not upgraded (besides RAM/HD). the only one that is not build for professional usage is the macbook. and the press states that this baby is one of the best and affordable laptops, even if you install windows on it.



think of me as a jobs fanboy, but the truth is:

if you look at it from a neutral point of view, macs are the better option in more than 75% of all cases. maybe just a lil less than 50% if you count in some really wierd purposes.



(and plx do not argue with propriety and microsoft!)

 

[Falkor]

1. mac computers are not expensive. the problem is, that you compare them to the wrong PCs. if you take a look at the business/high class dells, compaqs ...more... you will notice, that the price is almost the same. sometimes in favour of mac, somtimes in favour of pc.

uh no, if you go compare workstations dell and hp are far cheaper.

and for home computers macs are overpriced as well. same for laptops....just overpriced across the board - and underpowered.

2. proprietary parts is a HUGE plus. while windows systems have to support a huge variety of parts, the mac only needs to support a few of them. and it does it better. that's the same thing PCs do in a higher price range. build proprietary machines and ensure they are working fine.

proprietary is never a plus. that means you can upgrade your comp in the future or even fix parts. if it brakes you hope you can send it in to be fixed (time consuming) or buy a new mac (costly).

all the parts windows supports have drivers....they are supported just fine. all the PCs - even at higher price ranges - can swap gear out and upgrade easily.

3. the power of todays computers is HUGE. they are powerful enough, that there is a market for small and power saving systems already! OS > marginal hardware advantages (if there are any).

large hardware advantages > minimal os benefits

4. OSX is THE selling point for sure. it is by far the better OS. and when you really really need a windows software and there is nothing that can make up for it, you just install a virtual machine and use it.

nah im not a big fan of osx like you. and if it's so good you shouldnt need to install a virtual machine to use software....that means the os sucks and doesnt have enough support for shit you need.

5. a handbuild PC is nothing to compare with a mac. in no way you are able to even buy a tower like the mac pro one. plx do not compare apples with oranges. btw, the mac pro has an integrated 4 slot raid with independent sata channels, optional SAS raid5, xeons, ...and your comp?

and aren't we talking about mobile computers here? handbuild?

you're right, you cant compare apples to oranges. a hand built pc is light years ahead of a mac. you are in every way able to build a tower like the mac pro one. all the parts are available to be bought...normal consumers can utilize a raid set up...buy xeon processors....etc. the rub is the PC user could buy it for less. thats is a workstation anyways, not for the average consumer, but a PC would be better.

i was talking about a desktop computer in my last post. comparing a laptop to a workstation would be beyond comparing apples to oranges. oh btw, you can hand build a laptop, but not a macbook.

6. apple computers are focused on professional usage. 95% of all computers i have seen are not upgraded (besides RAM/HD). the only one that is not build for professional usage is the macbook. and the press states that this baby is one of the best and affordable laptops, even if you install windows on it.

apples arent focused on pro. usage. their consumer lines (macbook, macbookpro, macbook air, macmini, imac) out number the professional models (macpro). 95% of stats are made up. not only using made up stats, but contradicting yourself (ram/hd IS an upgrade). oh and users also upgrade gphx cards, processors, use after market cooling, new mobos, etc, etc, etc. so you're wrong.



the macbook is not the only model built for normal consumers (see list ^). and the macbook is an overpriced piece of shit. its $1000, which is more expensive than the laptop i just bought AND inferior in every way. the macbook CAN NOT be upgraded and only comes with a dual core proc, 2gigs of ram, an inferior gphx card, smaller hdd, no blue ray support, oh and its MORE expensive. the only selling points are the 'sexy' unibody chassis and the long battery. oh but the battery is internal and can't be replaced short of sending in the rig to apple and hoping they can go in and replace it. whereas if my battery dies i can just go get another one, no muss no fuss.

btw with only 2gigs of ram glhf running vista or windows 7.

think of me as a jobs fanboy, but the truth is:

if you look at it from a neutral point of view, macs are the better option in more than 75% of all cases. maybe just a lil less than 50% if you count in some really wierd purposes.

you clearly are a fan boy and DONT approach this from a neutral point - you approach it from the p.o.v of you on your knees with jobs' dick in your mouth.

if you look at it from a neutral p.o.v and read my post you can see that you just got shit on in every aspect. pc's are cheaper, easier to repair and upgrade, more powerful, god the list is endless. all you can cling to is that osx is the superior os...which is arguable. heck i dont even have any grievances with windows...ive never had any issues



all the evidence points to you being a biased fanboy and loving the cock. all your points were just proven wrong.



good day sir. I SAID GOOD DAY SIR!

 

[Omgimarogue]

i've used both mac's and pc's, and found pc's have much better hardware advantages, and pc's dont have an os that works like a fisher-price toy

 

[Rapt0R]

yea, macs suck

 

[Bansil]

pointless discussion.



primary goal of consumer hardware is to make the owner happy. seems like there are different things that makes different people happy.



(and still you are wrong on almost every argument... but thats nothing you have to care about.)

 

[Omgimarogue]

pointless discussion.



primary goal of consumer hardware is to make the owner happy. seems like there are different things that makes different people happy.



(and still you are wrong on almost every argument... but thats nothing you have to care about.)

decode:



yea guys, lets just move past this pointless argument - its not getting us anywhere

(p.s. you're all retards)

 

[Falkor]

pointless discussion.



primary goal of consumer hardware is to make the owner happy. seems like there are different things that makes different people happy.



(and still you are wrong on almost every argument... but thats nothing you have to care about.)

uhh i beat you on every point you posted. and im still curious what "bizniz" you are in since you threw out words like "raid" "xenon", etc seemingly to throw me off....but those are pretty standard terms & nothing special, at least for someone who used to read maxpc for years and builds their own PCs.



yes consumer hardware is to make the owner happy. if you are happy paying more just for looks and a possibly marginally better os, then by all means buy it. but if you want more power and customization then go pc.



if you are still in disbelief go back up (idk if you read my long post) and see how the macbook is more expensive and less powerful than the laptop i just bought.