Need opinions on what 49 to make

I currently have a level 35 priest and a level 20 paladin and I was thinking about taking of them to 49's (I hear games are popping on saturdays)



Questions for yall are:



How viable is it in this bracket (pug/premade)?

How much effort does gearing require?

Is it fun?

Anything else I need to know?



For:



Prot Pally

Ret Pally

Holy Pally

Disc Priest

Holy Priest

Shadow Priest



Thanks again



PS: (Chardevs or active characters would also be much appreciated if you would like to take the time)
 
The bracket pops 3-5 games per game night. give or take a few some nights. We queue 3 nights a week, M TH SAT and play for 2-3 hours at a time. The toughest thing to adjust to is the high burst, making positioning with your team highly important. After all, if they can't single you out, then the burst is managable.



Is it fun.. i like to think so =)



Pallies in all specs are powerful, especially ret due to their burst and strong defensive cd's.

Shadow priest do significant damage and have good anti caster abilities. A bit squishy though.

Holy priest are rarely seen as disc priest are significantly better.



Gearing is a definate pain but it's no fishing hat grind!
 
this bracket, more than any other bracket is plagued by severe grandfathering of gear. gear that was once item level 60+ and took WOTLK enchants. most is still in the game however item level has been lowered.



i have seen several with these GF'd players, shaman's. warriors, rogues, and mostly paladins. paladins are god mode in this bracket with disc priests in tow.



many claim they don't use them to keep it fair and not kill the bracket, but there are those who don't. they are like many who use every advantage, sorta like 24's owning mostly 20's and 74's in with mostly 70's.
 
this bracket, more than any other bracket is plagued by severe grandfathering of gear. gear that was once item level 60+ and took WOTLK enchants. most is still in the game however item level has been lowered.



Doesnt really matter, since wotlk enchants aren't useable by chars under lvl 50..
 
this bracket, more than any other bracket is plagued by severe grandfathering of gear. gear that was once item level 60+ and took WOTLK enchants. most is still in the game however item level has been lowered.



i have seen several with these GF'd players, shaman's. warriors, rogues, and mostly paladins. paladins are god mode in this bracket with disc priests in tow.



many claim they don't use them to keep it fair and not kill the bracket, but there are those who don't. they are like many who use every advantage, sorta like 24's owning mostly 20's and 74's in with mostly 70's.



Wow, I'm not sure where to start with this. Are we even talking about US 49s? I didn't think EU 49s got games last year, so I'll assume US 49s unless you say otherwise.



"Plagued" by grandfathered gear?



First off, maybe 10 players took the time to get the WotLK enchantments on their 49s in the three-week window of opportunity availed to them. I'm one of those ten players. Of those ten players, only three or four currently play in the bracket. This is a magnitude less than any other bracket, active or inactive. Heck, there are more players in every other bracket (except 80-84) using grandfathered gear than there are active 49s with grandfathered enchantments.



Second, the few players who did get grandfathered enchantments and still play (myself included) haven't used them on the field for months, if ever. Name names if you've seen otherwise.



Third and most importantly, the impact of such gear doesn't come close to the grandfathered disparity of other brackets (60-64 comes to mind). For 49s, we'll find a 7-10% total difference in a given stat, depending on how you gear. The biggest enchant difference, 40 stam to bracers, gains 28 stam over the typical 12 stam enchant. That's almost as much as you gain from finishing up the mining profession at 49 (30 stam). The 275 hp to chest enchant no longer works.



To compare grandfathered enchants in the 49 bracket to the massive gap between F2P 20s and P2P 24s is sensationalist at best. But then, the claim that 74s own 70s is also rife with inaccuracy.



Moving on, paladins are indeed very strong in 49s, but to say that they're god mode with disc priests in tow? Instabubbles on any high-damage class makes them god mode. Rogues, hunters, paladins, and others hit really hard -- it's 49s, after all. High-speed and instant healing make a much larger impact in a bracket like this.



I'm not sure where you got this vision that a bunch of grandfathered characters are running around globaling everything in sight, with a cadre of pocket healers in tow. I haven't seen that in the games I've played in 2011.



To be fair, I'd say a bunch of regular 49s are running around globaling everything in sight, with a couple of healers in tow.
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It's a rough bracket, and clearly I enjoy it, to have written a response this long. My point is, if you're going to criticize the features of the bracket, make it for the right reasons -- grandfathered enchantments isn't one of them.
 
i use wotlk 'chants on my feral cuz its fun and i farmed way too long. but i hardly play, and they dont make too much of a difference



24s > 20s and 74s > 70s is totally different than grandfathered gear/enchants imo. its a grey area b/c they changed the brackets so the traditional mindset has to sort of go out the window....b/c twinking IS doing everything in your power to have the best gear etc for your level. and if you choose to play at the top of a bracket where you get some cool new gear or abilities (and they offset your stat loss) then so be it. its a little bit worse at 20-24 just b/c its p2p players being dickish and beating the f2p people who built the bracket that allows said beating. 20s should just boycott them if its too big a deal. but 74s and 84s a) arent that OP and
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are just using the new bracket break down to their advantage to continue twinking how they wish.



and its not like people went around in the dark and got grandfathered 49 gear w.o telling. there were several threads on TI alone telling people how where and why to get this gear and enchant it for any 49s. if they werent around, that sucks...if they were too lazy, then F 'em
 
i use wotlk 'chants on my feral cuz its fun and i farmed way too long. but i hardly play, and they dont make too much of a difference



24s > 20s and 74s > 70s is totally different than grandfathered gear/enchants imo. its a grey area b/c they changed the brackets so the traditional mindset has to sort of go out the window....b/c twinking IS doing everything in your power to have the best gear etc for your level. and if you choose to play at the top of a bracket where you get some cool new gear or abilities (and they offset your stat loss) then so be it. its a little bit worse at 20-24 just b/c its p2p players being dickish and beating the f2p people who built the bracket that allows said beating. 20s should just boycott them if its too big a deal. but 74s and 84s a) arent that OP and
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are just using the new bracket break down to their advantage to continue twinking how they wish.



and its not like people went around in the dark and got grandfathered 49 gear w.o telling. there were several threads on TI alone telling people how where and why to get this gear and enchant it for any 49s. if they werent around, that sucks...if they were too lazy, then F 'em



so wat exactly r u trying to say?



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im trying to say i still use my lk enchanted gear b/c 1) its twinking 2) its twinking, why didnt they get it? the stat margin is very small anyways, like bwappo pointed out



BUT what 24s, and to a lesser extent 74s, do is a grey area. its gone further than just getting the best gear possible, its turned into lvling up to higher than the original bracket just to pwn on the smaller guys - which doesnt always work (ex. 84, and most 74). in 24s case its even worse since f2p 20s literally built the bracket, but instead of stopping xp at 20 p2p players go to 24 to get better gear, enchants, more abilities, etc just to spoil the 20s work. so is that considered twinking? i suppose, but its ultradickish
 
"this bracket, more than any other bracket is plagued by severe grandfathering of gear. gear that was once item level 60+ and took WOTLK enchants"



If every bracket is as 'plagued' by this, then i'd say grandfathering is no problem. As 49's, the people who have the enchants have voluntarily put them in storage, to avoid these negative smears and encourage growth in our bracket. All the points cirise made are true but ultimately doesn't even matter because no one uses them anyway!



@shanker

Have you played in the 49's this year?
 
Few things:



1) Disc Healer doesn't need hit cap anymore. If you think so please list out of the reasons that I would prioritize it over mana or spellpower.



2) Very few people were able to essentially cheat the system and get items which changed level. Of those many are non-active.



3) There are alot of items that are grandfathered because you can't get them anymore. This has happened in all brackets when items are removed from the drop tables or the game. 90% of the time there is an equivalent replacement and I view this as a non issue.



Here are some disc priests from the 49 bracket:





http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/Boulderfist/Elfviis/simple

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/Skullcrusher/Infusionz/simple

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/Boulderfist/Greendoc/simple

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/Azgalor/Zion/simple

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/Azgalor/Xxvimm/simple

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/Mannoroth/Cyatmejt/simple

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/Boulderfist/Batangx/simple

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/Dragonmaw/Temptédangel/simple

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/Bloodhoof/Doomdaman/simple

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/Boulderfist/Wahwahwaah/simple

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/Boulderfist/Batangx/simple

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/Mannoroth/Mudhole/simple

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/Skullcrusher/Lailu/simple

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/Azgalor/Lonelybeaver/simple
 
Thank you for links. However I disagree with comment about not being hit capped as SW:p (for stealth), Fear, and Dispel are all dependant on it.
 
You don't sacrifice too much to reach that hit cap, at least imo. Hit >= Stam = Int. 4k health, 5.9k mana, 422 SP, and the hit cap in the chardev I linked. Spellpower is probably the largest stat you sacrifice (maybe int), but anything over 400 spellpower is in good shape and props if you use up 5.9k mana, although I've been out of the bracket long enough that I don't know how quickly mana goes from healing. I've always prioritized Stam though, through and through.
 

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