Need BiS hunter chardev for both Pve + Pvp
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check the guides section for this bracket, it has both.
http://www.twinkinfo.com/f157/80-best-slot-pve-pvp-32244/
It was fairly close, but there's two things to note.
1. 277s have more agility (strictly this isn't an issue, as secondaries are much, much stronger at 80)
2. the Crit damage meta gem. Whilst you don't need the whole 4set for this, the 3% crit effect actually gets multiplied by the crit damage effect (200% damage of all attacks), so ends up being 6% more damage. With this considered, and considering the sheer level of crit hunters get (besides subtlety it's the only spec that nearly crit-caps), it's basically 6% more damage. That alone is worth dropping just the helm for.
Also, my set has 4.5k AP, 73.85% crit, 19.42% haste, and 15.93 mastery. Your armoried hunter (from your signature), has 6.6k AP, 19.09% haste, 63.13% crit and 22.51 mastery. Given that you're survival (and thus benefit from the extra agility that the survival spec has, in addition to other effects like having inscription), I can't see how your set has much more than mine does.
if you would of looked at the gear instead of just the stats when i logged out im in only ICC25 gear
cata gear has 8850 ap vs your 7.7k, 73.89% crit vs 73.85%, 29.33% haste vs 19.42% and 31.37% mastery vs your 15.93
your set has 3308 agi and 2779 stam vs my 3755 agi and 3275 stam. (as marks set has 3346 agi)
EDIT#1
the 4.5k ap you mention is the melee ap the rap is 7703, tho i do agree with you on the meta gem might be something looking into.
either way what worries me is the patch in 2 weeks were hunters will need expertise, picking this up in pure cata gear might not be too hard with there being a boe neck,boots and shoulders that have expetise. as well as the option if worst case to use to epic cata expertise gems. not sure if a wotlk geared hunter can reach the new expertise cap
EDIT#2
logged in my cata gear to update armory
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Enhancement currently gets 8 expertise from spec, and the neck + ring to make up the difference. I doubt it'll be that much of an issue, since hunters currently have the lowest available combined hit and expertise caps, followed by rogues and paladins.
The meta gem is extra useful for hunters, as I mentioned above, crit cap means the bonus is nearly always in effect.
I've noticed a couple of errors in my chardev, as I had used a 288 chest before (no clue how, but never the less), which cannot be enchanted with peerless stats.
If we make a brief comparison of my updated set with yours (remember, you're draenei, so you get around 31 extra hit rating, which blood elves (the race I used) don't.
chardev 9
Stats:
7772 AP (3338 Agi), 76.91% crit (1759 rating), 19.82% haste (573 rating), 15.15 mastery (328 rating). Stamina doesn't do much at all unfortunately, as we have plenty of health (mail has more stamina than almost all icc gear).
I also have exactly 8% hit, at 246 rating.
If we compare that to your own chardev, where I have made one single modification, which is removing inscription (I only ever include alchemy, as the profession is a basic requirement for access to the trinket), and replacing it with Greater Inscription of the Axe.
chardev 9
You have (as MM)
7491 AP (3210 Agi), 67.66% crit (1405 rating), 16.43% haste (464 rating), 30.83 mastery (1048 rating), in addition to 224 hit rating, for 0.28% overcap (Draenei hitcap is 246-31=215 rating).
If we just take secondary stats and total them up, we get this:
My set: 1759 + 573 + 328 + 246 = 2906 secondary stat from gear, in addition to 3338 agility.
Yours: 1405 + 464 + 1048 + 224 (+31 from draenei racial) = 3141 secondary (3172 with racial) and 3210 agility.
The difference is 235 secondary stats vs 128 agility. It's close, I'll admit, but considering the meta gem and 2set (5% chance on auto-shots for 15% pet/player damage increase for 10sec) and 4set (5% chance on SS/WvS damage to gain 20% increased AP), I think the trade is worthwhile.
But again, not by much. Agility isn't all it's cracked up to be, especially since secondary stats are extremely powerful at level 80.
The meta gem is extra useful for hunters, as I mentioned above, crit cap means the bonus is nearly always in effect.
I've noticed a couple of errors in my chardev, as I had used a 288 chest before (no clue how, but never the less), which cannot be enchanted with peerless stats.
If we make a brief comparison of my updated set with yours (remember, you're draenei, so you get around 31 extra hit rating, which blood elves (the race I used) don't.
chardev 9
Stats:
7772 AP (3338 Agi), 76.91% crit (1759 rating), 19.82% haste (573 rating), 15.15 mastery (328 rating). Stamina doesn't do much at all unfortunately, as we have plenty of health (mail has more stamina than almost all icc gear).
I also have exactly 8% hit, at 246 rating.
If we compare that to your own chardev, where I have made one single modification, which is removing inscription (I only ever include alchemy, as the profession is a basic requirement for access to the trinket), and replacing it with Greater Inscription of the Axe.
chardev 9
You have (as MM)
7491 AP (3210 Agi), 67.66% crit (1405 rating), 16.43% haste (464 rating), 30.83 mastery (1048 rating), in addition to 224 hit rating, for 0.28% overcap (Draenei hitcap is 246-31=215 rating).
If we just take secondary stats and total them up, we get this:
My set: 1759 + 573 + 328 + 246 = 2906 secondary stat from gear, in addition to 3338 agility.
Yours: 1405 + 464 + 1048 + 224 (+31 from draenei racial) = 3141 secondary (3172 with racial) and 3210 agility.
The difference is 235 secondary stats vs 128 agility. It's close, I'll admit, but considering the meta gem and 2set (5% chance on auto-shots for 15% pet/player damage increase for 10sec) and 4set (5% chance on SS/WvS damage to gain 20% increased AP), I think the trade is worthwhile.
But again, not by much. Agility isn't all it's cracked up to be, especially since secondary stats are extremely powerful at level 80.
what ring? and not sure how enhancement bonus has anything to do with hunters expertise come MOP. as for the rest of the math it does look good. always nice to have someone with a brain to discuss things with.
now i dont have the boots or ring off halion since i have yet to find a run doing that on my realm that will take an 80 twink. but wouldnt the rep ring from ICC be better for the 480 ap for 10 seconds over the one off halion
going to transfer my 80 twink to the beta test realm to check a few things but sometimes i really wish i made my hunter a worgen for the 1% crit bonus over hit lol
EDIT
looking thru my bank on the beta realm i found "seal of many mouths" the 277 heroic one, so that answers the what ring question lol
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on the beta test realms 197 expertise is 7.51% the 308 boe agi neck has 85 alone, then i reforged the hit from amber messenger to get another 49, hit on the tier gloves to get another 32 and twitching shadows (308 cloak) haste to expertise for another 31. i dont have the tier pants since for my wotlk set the heroic ones off 2nd boss in ICC25 was better, tho i have a tier token in the bank so i would just need to get another heroic token.
but i have 8.59% hit which 1% is from being a space goat. sitting with 2800 stam and 3224 agi and 8225 ap, tho i think trueshot aura is a base skill now and stacks with hawk. with the change to MM and i think you only need 2 steady shots to stack the haste buff instead of the 3 and the fact survival dont get cobra to 81 is making MM more and more appealing. might have to get a race change in MOP as well, changing to a panda for the double food buff will prob be better then going to worgen for the 1% crit
EDIT
side note mark of norgannon (69 expertise and click to use to get 491 haste for 20 sec on 2 min cooldwon) might be something looking into for the herald set. also with a bit of searching i found a 226 ring and 2 other 200 with agi and expertise so all and all might not be too hard to get cap for herald set as well
but i have 8.59% hit which 1% is from being a space goat. sitting with 2800 stam and 3224 agi and 8225 ap, tho i think trueshot aura is a base skill now and stacks with hawk. with the change to MM and i think you only need 2 steady shots to stack the haste buff instead of the 3 and the fact survival dont get cobra to 81 is making MM more and more appealing. might have to get a race change in MOP as well, changing to a panda for the double food buff will prob be better then going to worgen for the 1% crit
EDIT
side note mark of norgannon (69 expertise and click to use to get 491 haste for 20 sec on 2 min cooldwon) might be something looking into for the herald set. also with a bit of searching i found a 226 ring and 2 other 200 with agi and expertise so all and all might not be too hard to get cap for herald set as well
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I mentioned the enhancement spec bonus being literally the only expertise they get from icc gear. If you go into some older EJ threads, enhancement was gemming expertise and hit just to cap before reforging was available.
Crit is only stronger because you get more rating from it. 1% crit is around 45 rating, and 1% hit is around 31.
Panda will be the best race, as we can use the 85 food (which is 90 stat + stam, almost 3x the draenei passive)
Mark of norgannon is a crappy trinket. It barely has as many stats has half the ulduar proc trinkets have as passive.
Just get something like Blood of the Old God (Basically as good as dark matter), and reforge the hit. Capping really won't be hard, not since reforging is available.