Myrm PLEASE SAVE US

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Yde said:
How about we just merge this thread into the other one? The title was a product of frustration, having a civil discussion that you still want to participate in suddenly locked can do that, and Trialmop immediately calmed down after all. :)

On the other hand I do get that pages of discussion on a seemingly already permanently settled dispute are overwhelming to read, so I also understand the motivation behind locking it until Myrm can form a clearer picture. :)

Since there were some good points raised in here it could just all go into the discussion thread to be evaluated at a later date, since I'm sure Myrm is pretty hassled with the Cup and implementing changes as well.

The vBulletin site builder and admincp can be confusing as heck so the effort of technical management of the forum shouldn't be underestimated! Especially for someone new to it.
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Great idea

Please this!
 
Kincaide said:
As far as I know I've never spoken to you in-game. But this isn't up for conversation. I feel it was an understandable but misguided mistake on Myrm's part to even approach this issue, as he (like yourself) was unaware of how we've worked in the past to get where we are now. I still maintain that the number of people who have said that they want a change is somewhere around 5 people. That's not enough to warrant upsetting everything that we've built that works so well. You have stated your opinion, and it's been heard, and there's no reason to keep repeating it. While your specific ban was because you turned your rants against a particular person, everyone here knows your reputation and the history of all the reports and infractions against you are still available to the staff. I'm not interested in going in circles with you, that's not how this is going to play out. You've stated your opinion, now show me that you have changed your ways during your permanent ban, and stop repeating it everywhere.
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Why do you feel the need to repeatedly bring up Trialmop's ban? It is entirely irrelevant in this thread. Are you going to do that every time you disagree with a previously banned user?

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Trialmop said:
You feel its not a issue because you already made a decision on it you say before.
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For the last time: I did not make a decision. The entire community made a decision, and came up with a compromise that was the least onerous to the most people. I don't know if you've ever tried to manage compromises for such a large number of people before, but compromise means that no one gets just what they want but everyone gets something that they can live with. Sure there are some of you who would prefer it a different way, but your preferences do not supersede the wishes of the hundreds of other people who also participate here. And again, you weren't here for any of that because you had been removed from the community at the request of the community, so I don't think you have a lot of weight to be speaking for the community now.

This conversation needs to end now, I'm not going to continue to extend you the opportunity to spam the forums with this same stuff after I've told you to stop. This is precisely what got you in so much hot water before, and I'm disappointed to find that you didn't learn from the experience.
 
Arkant said:
Why do you feel the need to repeatedly bring up Trialmop's ban? It is entirely irrelevant in this thread. Are you going to do that every time you disagree with a previously banned user?

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When the ban was due to the very same behavior that they are still displaying, then yes. When a clear pattern of behavior has clearly not changed, it is definitely relevant to point out to that user where that behavior led them before.
 
Kincaide said:
When the ban was due to the very same behavior that they are still displaying, then yes. When a clear pattern of behavior has clearly not changed, it is definitely relevant to point out to that user where that behavior led them before.
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You just admitted that their ban was due to ranting against a particular person. I don't see the relevance.

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Kincaide said:
When the ban was due to the very same behavior that they are still displaying, then yes. When a clear pattern of behavior has clearly not changed, it is definitely relevant to point out to that user where that behavior led them before.
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Your wrong about me not changing. Your calling my post repeated rambling but it is not nor is it directed to flame or insult anyone. You constantly talking about how little share the same feelings as me and you say a community of hundreds voted for this but I doubt it. Why don't you post some facts or show us what your talking about as you say we should do the same. Many of you in the past were corrupt and some were just rotten people who liked picking on new comers unlike Yde who actually always explained things.
 
Arkant said:
You just admitted that their ban was due to ranting against a particular person. I don't see the relevance.

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In some cases a ban is due to a single egregious incident, and in some cases a ban is due to the accumulation of multiple infractions over time which aren't necessarily related to the final one that causes the ban. And frankly I haven't looked up our records to see what Trialmop's last straw was, so I'm taking his word on what he said.

However I don't see the relevance of this train of thought to the discussion, so the off-topic side conversation now ends. You can PM me if you want to discuss something other than the topic.
 
Trialmop said:
Most vets don't have other sets or just refuse use them. They enchant their real gear or near all of it and end up missing events ive seen it happened so much, but hey this isn't a argument thread so Cheers and HEY ECOPAL did nice games vs u and lockqt yall were rogue/ret :D
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on my realm the vets buy guild looms and enchant those, we dont use f2p gear but i think most of us still have them, when we wargames against f2ps we like to be fair
 
Thanks for unlocking. :)
 
Kincaide said:
In some cases a ban is due to a single egregious incident, and in some cases a ban is due to the accumulation of multiple infractions over time which aren't necessarily related to the final one that causes the ban. And frankly I haven't looked up our records to see what Trialmop's last straw was, so I'm taking his word on what he said.

However I don't see the relevance of this train of thought to the discussion, so the off-topic side conversation now ends. You can PM me if you want to discuss something other than the topic.
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Thank you for ending this ordeal about my past ban as it has no relevance to this thread other than someone trying to use it to discredit my constructive post and make it out to be the same as back and forth trash talking flaming people or spam.
 
h.o.t.h said:
on my realm the vets buy guild looms and enchant those, we dont use f2p gear but i think most of us still have them, when we wargames against f2ps we like to be fair
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yes there are a few Vets that do it but so far most don't. I know people like lankypuss even have separate vet characters from F2Ps.
 
Trialmop said:
Your wrong about me not changing. Your calling my post repeated rambling but it is not nor is it directed to flame or insult anyone. You constantly talking about how little share the same feelings as me and you say a community of hundreds voted for this but I doubt it.
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At this point, I don't care what you doubt. Your doubt stems from willful ignorance and obstinance, which IS what got you in trouble before.

Why don't you post some facts or show us what your talking about as you say we should do the same.
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You claimed to have been still reading the forums during your ban, yet you have no recollection of the threads and threads discussing this matter, and everyone else remembers it just fine, you have the audacity to say that I'm lying about the whole thing? Use the search function.

Many of you in the past were corrupt and some were just rotten people who liked picking on new comers unlike Yde who actually always explained things.
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I don't know or care who you are referring to but if your implication is that I am corrupt or rotten, then that's something you can take up with me personally in PMs, or better yet speak to an Administrator or Myrm about. But by saying this publicly you are yet again going down -exactly- the same path that got you perma-banned before. You're taking one of your crusades to a personal level. If you think that Myrm is going to tolerate that sort of treatment of the staff any more than Shane did, you might want to reconsider it.

Your tone out here in public is very different from the one you've used today in PMs where you said you wanted it to be over and didn't want to cause trouble. Are you posturing for the audience or something? I've already told you, your opinion on this subject has been noted, just like the hundreds of other opinions had already been noted and catalogued and voted upon and decided while you were gone. This is a DEAD ISSUE. This is the last time I'm going to tell you to drop it.
 
I didn't say I thought you were completely lying. I think numbers have been a little exaggerated sure(hundreds from the f2p section? idk). I wanted the discussion to end but not with false facts or a misunderstandings which is why I replied to your first post. Ill take up your advise to stop posting about this issue in the manner of questioning a mod who can ban me or get me banned or feels I am heading towards a ban in their eyes. Thank you for your time and I hate to waste it as I know your likely a very busy person. With all due respect to you I withdraw from this conversation.
 
Trialmop said:
I haven't spammed the forums at all. I posted only 10% in the other thread...
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I figured this claim in particular needed some clarification, so here's the post count in that thread for each poster:
Code: 
Activate            ********** ****
Albinocow           *
Alleybeboba         *******
Bjorke              ******
Burg                ****
Cripzblood          *******
Daltert Moropi      ***
danny glover        *
Daark               *
DetErMegJostein     *
Dip                 *
Epichealtime        **
fatbellyzz          *
Felfiend            **
Goesid              **
Honey badger        *
Hotshots            *
Kincaise            *
Lankypuss           ********** ***
LennyBoreanTundra   **
Lluyd               *
Mrcer               **
Myrm                **
PepeLePewPew        *********
Phrontistery        *
Revio               *
Shft                *
SPQR                **
Squidgey            ***
Swoops              **
Trialmop            ********** ********** ********** ********** ********** ***
Trickynick          *
Turtle              ******
verh                *
Yasueh              ***
Yde                 ****
 
Yasueh said:
I figured this claim in particular needed some clarification, so here's the post count in that thread for each poster:
Code: 
Activate            ********** ****
Albinocow           *
Alleybeboba         *******
Bjorke              ******
Burg                ****
Cripzblood          *******
Daltert Moropi      ***
danny glover        *
Daark               *
DetErMegJostein     *
Dip                 *
Epichealtime        **
fatbellyzz          *
Felfiend            **
Goesid              **
Honey badger        *
Hotshots            *
Kincaise            *
Lankypuss           ********** ***
LennyBoreanTundra   **
Lluyd               *
Mrcer               **
Myrm                **
PepeLePewPew        *********
Phrontistery        *
Revio               *
Shft                *
SPQR                **
Squidgey            ***
Swoops              **
Trialmop            ********** ********** ********** ********** ********** ***
Trickynick          *
Turtle              ******
verh                *
Yasueh              ***
Yde                 ****
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Not sure if it wasn't clear enough, My count is higher than others because I'm the one being replied to the most and replying to other people. Being engaged in a thread or topic that you kind of sparked is different from spamming.
 
How do FBUs (future banned users) generate activity around themselves?
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Do FBUs purposefully try to create discussions, or opportunistically respond to an on-going discussion? Here, we find that their behavior differs depending on the community (Figure 2a). On Breitbart and IGN, trolls are more likely to reply to others’ posts, but on CNN, they are more likely to start new discussions (t>9.1,p<10^-4,d>0.25). Still, across all communities, FBUs appear to be effective at luring other users into potentially fruitless discussions, supporting claims in previous literature about troll-like behavior (Herring et al. 2011): the average number of replies a FBU gets is significantly higher than that of a regular user (t>2.6,p<0.01,d>0.16, Figure 2b). We observe a similar trend if we instead consider all descendant posts instead of only direct replies (to quantify the total discussion volume generated by a post).

Last, FBUs contribute significantly more posts per thread they participate in (t>3.1,p<0.01,d>0.16, Figure 2c), perhaps engaged in protracted discussions with other users.
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Source: Antisocial Behavior in Online Discussion Communities - Justin Cheng, Cristian Danescu-Niculescu-Mizil, Jure Leskovec
 
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