Cyrexis said:Well, that's if you can. Because you only have about three seconds to do so. And I have already played many rogues who think this way. That is why I blink and then sheep. It saves my nova. So I still have nova at my disposal. Not to menion full life and mana.
And by the remark you made about the AOE, you just have not played a good mage. A good mage would never AOE to find a rogue. AOE's take at least 1/4 to half your mana.
You can burn your vanish if you want to, but doing so only brings us back to square 1. You just burnt your Vanish and I didn't burn anything. I still have all my cooldowns ready and available. A novice mage will use Nova on a rogue when they first attack, this is their worst mistake.
Stats don't lie. You can ask any rogue that plays in Ruin 39's if they have ever taken the mage Cyrexis and I will guarantee you that you will not find one. Rogues has never been a problem for me. You can go browse my name on the official WoW fourms and you will see some posts talking about me possibly being the best mage in the 39 bracket. Most are old and may not be there anymore, but you can try.
I basically built my mage to the exact opposite of what Virre did. To me, if you do enough damage, you won't need anything else. And over time, you will learn how to survive with low health.
Your Vanish technique may work on the novice mage, but I guarantee you it won't work on an experienced one like myself. I have already seen all these techniques and I also have a 39 Rogue twink. So I know them fairly well. I still find the Mage versus Rogue battle unfair in favor of the mage. Hands down.
Megadeth said:1st if i get the opener and you blink i will have plenty of time to vanish your sheep
If this was a 1v1 in arena(no anti venom) or in a duel(anti venom) I would open with sap garrote/rupture. This will force your Iceblock to save mana. Then the battle is a rinse and repeat to mana drain... And yes i would stay in range to stop any Evocation attempts.
Cyrexis said:No?
Frost Nova, Every Man for Himself, Anti-venom potions, Free Action Potions, Blast Wave (blasts back the target and slows their movement), Blink, Frozen Armor slowing, Cone of Cold (also slowing), Blazing Speed...all are things that are ready and available to a fire mage. Are these still not enough?
You are forgetting the fact that these are there because the mage IS an escape artist. And a mage CAN and WILL escape a Rogue if you know how. If you are a decent mage, you will know how to use these things at your disposal.
Like I have said many times within the last two days, these are the things that work for me.
elesian said:I can assure that the best mages will save there blink until its ABSOLUTELY necessary, if you blink without the rogue using any cds at this point, you just ate a cs+ks forcing you to iceblock. You've got EMFHS, or escape artist. You don't have all the other stuff in arena, so i don't know what point you were trying to make here.
The points of my original argument is this. Lets say you are running in 2s with a healer, or even 3s. With 1600hp, that rogues going to get you to IB before your healer can even respond. Another 800hp makes the difference between him being able to react, or a team player getting a peel off so you don't have to insta-ib.
The advantage the frost mage has on you is that second IB. The rogue-mage cds are both completely reactive to each other. If the rogues postioning is good, and doesn't get unlucky with DMH procs or FB procs, he will stay on you. In arena the rogue can use LOS to his advantage, where as for you it gives nothing - he's opening on you, not the other way round.
Wow duels are mainly scripted - there is only so much you can do to react to each situation. In a purely 1v1 situation, a rogue is going to sap, cs, sap, garrote + rupture + possibly one hemo - BEFORE you can even blink, and obviously you are not going to trinket a sap. If it's completely out in the open, you have a good chance of winning (if frost), if the rogue doesn't have any prep.
Oh yea, you might have a potential 2.5k burst from a poly opener, but most elitely geared rogues are running 2500-3000hp, with agm, lifeblood and belt and heavy frostweave. That's 5000-5500hp to get through, before bandage ticks.
Cyrexis said:Both of our arguments are going to go no where. You think you are right and I think I am right.
But there you go again with the 'best' mages. You have to understand that not every one plays the same way. They prefer to do it that way because it works. I prefer to do it my way because it works.
But in my experience, I have not seen a rogue that can take me. Period. Even the ones with 3k health and etc.
But I suppose you have never seen a mage that could kill your rogue. Hehe.
How about this; until the day we see each other in the arena or a BG, we are all right. =)
But I would like to see some Armory profiles.
AhoyCyrexis said:Stats don't lie. You can ask any rogue that plays in Ruin 39's if they have ever taken the mage Cyrexis and I will guarantee you that you will not find one. Rogues has never been a problem for me. You can go browse my name on the official WoW fourms and you will see some posts talking about me possibly being the best mage in the 39 bracket. Most are old and may not be there anymore, but you can try.
brumble said:ahoy
i just so happen to be a 39 rogue from ruin! I don't believe we've met before
interested in some duels? ;]
Rawrrawr said:I would like to see some Armory profiles of these rogues you've beaten with your terrible strategy.
Lol @ expecting to get a sheep off after a blink on a half-decent rogue. Considering no fkin half-decent rogue would allow that to happen.
And don't even say "my playstyle lets me get that sheep off."
Fkin terribad mage.
Brumble has spoken, duel him and win and i will give you props. I have showed my armory and you have totally ignored it.Cyrexis said:With no proof of twinkage, barely any posts and obviously you think you're on thepwndepot.com, your opinion/word means nothing to me. Getting a sheep on a rogue is easy. Even if they Vanish after the first attack, they are still vulnerable on the second opening.
So, in my word, any half-decent mage could get a sheep on a rogue.
I would provide you with armories but I have not played in about six months and I still unable to play due to being in que for 8 days. But you can look up any rogue in <WSG Wolfpack>. I have taken them numerous times. No offense to the guild, I love them to death.
I am not going to ague with you. I have, and still do, defeat about 95% of all rogues I come in contact with. Whether their are, or were, any good Rogues in my battlegroup, I don't know. And really, what does it matter? Those are the rogues I am exposed to and have access to. What do I care if someone on Nightfall says they're better? Who cares if the rogues on Emberstorm are better? Those are not my Battlegroup. So, in essence, that means nothing to me.
At one point, there were some excellent twinks on Ruin. Maybe not so much anymore, but I am speaking of maybe a year ago and back. There were some damn good twinks on Ruin.
Show an armory and I may care about what you have to say.
Brumble said:Ahoy
I just so happen to be a 39 Rogue from Ruin! I don't believe we've met before
Interested in some duels? ;]
Arock said:nede maor leters