Mistweaver General ideas / help before sub runs out

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    JadeFire

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    :p I think the "Heal-Tank" at this point for shadowlands has been debunked thoroughly, for all healer specs.

    If you know what you are doing stacking HP/Verse (most builds using verse are just picking it up because its on their gear available) at the expense of your healing power just makes you worse/less effective in general.

    The entire idea of the thread is that you can give the MistWeaver Burst though mastery and not have to build a grossly sub-optimal healer draped in Talasites and BC gem gear with undesirable stats and horrifyingly decreased healing power... Haste+Mastery is what you want... not Verse and Crit.
     
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    You are clearly underestimating the tank heal setup, mastery does not save MW from no instant cast heals. The only heal that heals instant is renewing mist and that is only the gust of mist heal and it has seconds of cd (I don't count expel harm). I tried out the gust of mists on soothing mist and it is def a bug and not reliable as a confirmed instant heal. When I tried it the gust proced on like 1 out of 5 ticks and almost never on the first tick.

    A spell that does benefit from gust however is surging mist. Surging mist heals 100 more than vivify right away and stacks 2 times healing close to 800 + gust of mist at 180 sp. Why would u need tons of sp and mastery when you heal this much already? You can have how much mastery you want but if you can't cast you are going to die and I'm sure you have noticed how many stuns/interrupts there is atm.

    I still hold on to the idea that tank healing mw is the better choice as long as 1-2 twinks can almost oneshot a char with almost 5k hp but if you don't like that idea still I would at least recommand changing some mastery to maximize int/sp or vers/haste to help your hots since hot ticks doesn't benefit from mastery at all.
     
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    I can see this thread is clearly not about providing advice. Head-on into those Bee Gees and get f***** up if you want to
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    What's your toons name so I can know that you're not going to cower behind me.
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    P.s. no one said anything about talasites
     
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    It is irritating that there seems to be a 50/50 divide in what people experience in BGs. I play the Resto all of the time and never worry about 1 shot... ever. If I ever die its because I played badly... or the teams are so lop sided it does not matter if I had 1k hp or 10k hp it would still be a loss.

    So from my stand point... with the number of games I have played *which is not epic, but a lot)... if you stack HP to live... you are playing badly... and using HP as a compensation.

    Obviously people are conflicted with that.

    *** I don't understand the "why do you need to heal more argument"... I stack mastery on my resto and often crit for 1-2k on deep heals... that just saves somebody flat out.
     
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    The stacking talasite strat is generally from either DPS focused players rerolling heals, or inexperienced healers that need the safety net to feel safe. If you really look at which players are offering what advice, it tells you everything you need to know about who to listen to.
     
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    Interesting how you guys judge players twinking and player experience on the basis of the gearing tips we provide once. Like you know all about us now. Tips that you asked for in the first place for some weird reason since you obviously knew what was best all along.

    I was simply trying to give some advice based on my recent bg experiences and some constructive feedback behind it but sure, you pros do it your own way.
     
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    I'll build both to give it a fair test, since the BC gem gear takes about 1 second to get.

    Trollguden: Your whole argument seems to be there are 100s of twinks running around...

    Maybe its an EU thing? are there just more twinks?... outside of running into some alliance premades on the weekend I only see 1-2-3 twinks in each game... there are a few that you run into a whole premade... again tho... having 6k hp there is not going to stop you from dying instantly to 3 twinks (and those are twinks that popped pots/trinkets to kill you).... the only real way to not die is not be in a position to die.
     
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    ZAZZZY CARRY B I S

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    Could be, I'm playing horde in a bracket that is very much ally dominated. I see myself lucky if I don't face at least 3 twinks each game and I often face premades and groups with more than 5 twinks in it. Not just from the "EU" bracket but vs russians aswell. Russians happens to be very big in twinking. Also alot more ppl know alot about the games these days aswell, can barely show myself without having ppl on me. I'm not perfect, I'm not a glad but I do feel that I position myself pretty allright in most scenarios and the heat is def there anyway.
     
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    Are the two-slot gem pieces really worth it for any kind of HP build? Some pieces like Liar's Cord/Starlight Gauntlets have some real terrible stats compared to i28 greens :p
     
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    Not really no imo, just 3 gem pieces and then 28 gear with sockets unless you really want a fc set because then u want as much stamina/sockets u can get.
     
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    int>mastery>haste>vers having a fast gcd is important for mw
     
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    Well have both sets made, we will see. You lose tons of burst/healing with the Verse/HP set since you have way less haste and mastery... but, might live longer.
     
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    Any feedback on your performance of these two sets?
     
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    3 days till sub... so won't know in game until then... but the math is simple even with 16% mastery reduction... Mastery>Haste+Int. (I'll probably have about 224 Mastery World by the time the sub runs out).

    Gust of Mists buries all all other numbers in a vacuum even if you go bonkers and stack +3 int gems in all BC slots... you are still losing because Gust is just a flat bonus... and MW gets a crazy high % bonus from stacking Mastery... more than any other class/spec I believe.

    But, numbers are not everything.

    This is also not my first 20s monk... before "Jadefire" had a leveling accident, I had her set up with all Talasites and a Haste/Int build... it was "OK"... the healing was decent, but a huge % of the time I did not even need the HP so it was just completely wasted. And we can trivialize it all we want, but that was an alliance toon... so rarely... especially on the weekends was it really an issue to have HP versus the horde.
     
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