Meat 1

[Amaya]

Have you ever tried stacking up to 40% PvP Power?

 

[Meat]

Nope

 

[Amaya]

You have to sacrifice about 100 AP and 5% resil to achieve it (along with t6 2 piece bonus), but it might be worthwhile, not sure.

 

[odyne]

You have to sacrifice about 100 AP and 5% resil to achieve it (along with t6 2 piece bonus), but it might be worthwhile, not sure.

I'd like to see a chardev of that. 5% resil and 100 AP for such an absurd amount of PvP Power is nothing. And i'm making a hunter so

 

[Amaya]

I'll get a chardev of it up later today.

 

[Amaya]

Alrighty here we go.
chardev 10 - Mist of Pandaria - BETA (closest I could get, missing Frosthide Armor kit to legs, note that the helm enchant is no longer availablle. I corrected a gemming mistake, but did not replace your current trinket with the superior heirloom that gives 40 additional resilience.

Key Stats
15.2k HP 34.4k effective HP
1623 AP
29.58% Crit
55.76% Resil
24.5%~ PvP Power

chardev 10 - Mist of Pandaria - BETA

12.6k HP 26.9k effective HP
1521 Attack Power
26.68% Crit
53.18 resil
40.4% PvP Power (has 200 more PvP Power than Meat build)

The biggest issue is the loss of 8k effective HP. That's huge. You're basically working with 78% of Meat's health. The big thing is though that you're also working with 15% more PvP Power.

Let's say these two attack each other, assuming equal skill.

PvP Power has 93.7% of Meat's AP and 90.2% of Meat's Crit. For napkin math we'll treat PvP Power as doing 92% of Meat's DPS.

So let's say Meat does 4k DPS (before PvP Power). PvP Power will then do 3680 DPS.

Meat does a net 2340 DPS (factoring in PvP Power and resil) allowing him to kill PvP Power in 5.39 seconds.
PvP Power does a net 2270 DPS (factoring in PvP Power and resil) allowing him to kill Meat in 6.70 seconds.

Meat does 4980 DPS against players before resil.
PvP Power does 5170 DPS against players before resil.

I'll be trying out the PvP Power build probably, but I doubt it will be much more effective than a balanced build.

 

[Meat]

Alrighty here we go.
chardev 10 - Mist of Pandaria - BETA (closest I could get, missing Frosthide Armor kit to legs, note that the helm enchant is no longer availablle. I corrected a gemming mistake, but did not replace your current trinket with the superior heirloom that gives 40 additional resilience.

Key Stats
15.2k HP 34.4k effective HP
1623 AP
29.58% Crit
55.76% Resil
24.5%~ PvP Power

chardev 10 - Mist of Pandaria - BETA

12.6k HP 26.9k effective HP
1521 Attack Power
26.68% Crit
53.18 resil
40.4% PvP Power (has 200 more PvP Power than Meat build)

The biggest issue is the loss of 8k effective HP. That's huge. You're basically working with 78% of Meat's health. The big thing is though that you're also working with 15% more PvP Power.

Let's say these two attack each other, assuming equal skill.

PvP Power has 93.7% of Meat's AP and 90.2% of Meat's Crit. For napkin math we'll treat PvP Power as doing 92% of Meat's DPS.

So let's say Meat does 4k DPS (before PvP Power). PvP Power will then do 3680 DPS.

Meat does a net 2340 DPS (factoring in PvP Power and resil) allowing him to kill PvP Power in 5.39 seconds.
PvP Power does a net 2270 DPS (factoring in PvP Power and resil) allowing him to kill Meat in 6.70 seconds.

Meat does 4980 DPS against players before resil.
PvP Power does 5170 DPS against players before resil.

I'll be trying out the PvP Power build probably, but I doubt it will be much more effective than a balanced build.

You remind me of glance :33

will test out that 40% set as surv/mm sometime maybe (if I decide to drop engi)

 

[odyne]

Going for the 40% defo, i never die anyways amirite guise? x)

 

[Meat]

Going for the 40% defo, i never die anyways amirite guise? x)

jk harsh words

 

[Amaya]

Please note the following numbers are factored Golden Bow of Quel'thalas, self buffs only, before resil and armor. Average damage is simply ability damage * (1+crit). Explosive shot is all 3 ticks. Let me know if the ES and AS numbers are within 5% MoE of what you do Meat.

PvP Power			Average Damage
AP	Crit	Power	Steady Shot	Aimed Shot	Explosive Shot	Arcane Shot
1798	31.8%	40.5%	3574.54	11642.00	5220.53	3861.51
Meat
AP	Crit	Power
1910	34.7%	24.5%	3273.40	10644.66	4885.57	3533.28

 

[Amaya]

Here is another chardev with maximum PvP Power (616, Jewelcrafting and Blacksmithing). You can reach 656 using Barrel Bladed Longrifle, but it doesn't make up for that weapon's dismal damage.

In terms of damage output against opposing players, it appears that PvP Power is vastly superior to every other stat. To the point that sacrificing agility, attack power, and crit for lower ilevel items that have more sockets will yield a damage gain against players. The debate is then how much effective health is necessary to remain alive long enough to deal damage.

chardev 10 - Mist of Pandaria - BETA -> Meat
chardev 10 - Mist of Pandaria - BETA -> PvP Power 1
chardev 10 - Mist of Pandaria - BETA -> PvP Power 2

Damage Analysis of each profile using Golden Bow of Quel'thalas, Thor'idal the Star's Fury, and Barrel Bladed Longrifle.

For those not interested in analyzing it, two things are of note: 1) Base weapon damage increases in value as PvP Power increases 2) PvP Power is superior to all other offensive stats.

	Base Agility	Stat Buff	Base AP	Total AP	Crit	PvP Power	Crit%	PvP%
Meat	643	32	1623	2041	332	308	30.54%	24.52%
PvP Power #1	545	27	1521	1906	322	508	27.01%	40.44%
PvP Power #2	542	27	1384	1740	290	616	25.47%	49.03%
Golden Bow	57	2	114	143	119	0	7.15%	0.00%
Legendary Bow	54	2	108	136	91	0	5.79%	0.00%
Socket Gun	51	2	102	128	0	40	1.58%	3.18%
										VS Players
	Meat	Agility	AP	Crit%	PvP%	Low End	Top End	Modifier	Average	Pre Resil	Post Resil (40%)	Percent of Max
	Golden Bow	734	2184	37.69%	24.52%	414	769	421.2	1394.4	1736.2	1042	100.00%
	Thori'dal	731	2177	36.33%	24.52%	407	758	419.8	1366.4	1701.4	1021	98.00%
	Longrifle	728	2170	32.12%	27.70%	265	494	418.4	1054.2	1346.2	808	77.54%
										Vs Players
	Power #1	Agility	AP	Crit%	PvP%	Low End	Top End	Modifier	Average	Pre Resil	Post Resil	Percent of Max
	Golden Bow	631	2049	34.16%	40.44%	414	769	395.1	1323.6	1858.8	1115	100.00%
	Thori'dal	628	2041	32.80%	40.44%	407	758	393.7	1296.4	1820.6	1092	97.94%
	Longrifle	625	2034	28.59%	43.62%	265	494	392.3	992.4	1425.3	855	76.68%
										Vs Players
	Power #2	Agility	AP	Crit%	PvP%	Low End	Top End	Modifier	Average	Pre Resil	Post Resil	Percent of Max
	Golden Bow	628	1883	32.62%	49.03%	414	769	363.1	1266.0	1886.8	1132	100.00%
	Thori'dal	625	1876	31.26%	49.03%	407	758	361.7	1239.4	1847.1	1108	97.90%
	Longrifle	622	1868	27.05%	52.22%	265	494	360.3	939.9	1430.7	858	75.83%

 

[Meat]

I do think that marksmanship would benefit the most from increased pvp power

 

[Amaya]

Better Data

Model -> chardev 10 - Mist of Pandaria - BETA
Meat -> chardev 10 - Mist of Pandaria - BETA
PvP Power#2 -> chardev 10 - Mist of Pandaria - BETA

The stat weights I've come up with for damage output:
PvP Power = 4
Crit = 2
Agility = 1.9
Attack Power = .9
Hit should be capped.
Ignoring haste and expertise.

I was mainly doing this for my own personal use and I'm done with it. I'll save the spreadsheet I used if anyone wants a copy of it. If you've used Excel before it should be simple to use.

												Hits vs Players (ignoring resil and armor)
		AP	Crit%	Haste%	PvP%	Low End	Top End	Speed	Modifier	Steady Shot	SS DPS	Explosive Shot (Total)	Aimed Shot	Arcane Shot	Chimera Shot
Meat	Golden Bow	1911	36.21%	9.45%	24.52%	414	769	3	368	1832	1002	2813	7668	2622	2318.749
Meat	Thori'dal	1904	34.89%	12.87%	24.52%	407	758	2.7	367	1825	1030	2806	7632	2610	2295.215
Power 1	Golden Bow	1799	33.84%	8.31%	40.44%	414	769	3	347	2051	1111	3040	8563	2927	2615.242
Power 1	Thori'dal	1792	32.52%	11.73%	40.44%	407	758	2.7	346	2043	1142	3032	8523	2913	2588.699
Power 2	Golden Bow	1651	32.35%	7.67%	46.97%	414	769	3	318	2125	1144	3000	8844	3022	2736.804
Power 2	Thori'dal	1645	31.03%	11.10%	46.97%	407	758	2.7	317	2118	1176	2991	8802	3006	2709.027
Model	Golden Bow	1803	39.93%	5.52%	46.97%	414	769	3	348	2147	1133	3187	8965	3065	2736.804
Model	Thori'dal	1796	38.61%	8.94%	46.97%	407	758	2.7	346	2139	1165	3179	8923	3050	2709.027
			Average Damage per Execute (vs 40% resil, 40% armor)
				Steady Shot	Explosive Shot	Aimed Shot	Arcane Shot	Chimera Shot
		Meat	Golden Bow	898	2,299	3,760	2,143	1,895
		Meat	Thori'dal	886	2,271	3,706	2,112	1,858
		Power 1	Golden Bow	988	2,441	4,126	2,351	2,100
		Power 1	Thori'dal	975	2,411	4,066	2,316	2,058
		Power 2	Golden Bow	1,013	2,382	4,214	2,400	2,173
		Power 2	Thori'dal	999	2,352	4,152	2,364	2,130
		Model	Golden Bow	1,081	2,676	4,516	2,573	2,298
		Model	Thori'dal	1,067	2,644	4,452	2,536	2,253

 

[odyne]

This is golden, good stuff for making my hunter <3

 

[vblort]

Meat did you play on Argent Dawn horde side 1-2 years ago?

 

[Meat]

Meat did you play on Argent Dawn horde side 1-2 years ago?

No