Level 20 Items Sheet UPDATED

[Goesid]

I mean, is a 16% relative increase in crusader procs worth losing 1 Str, 1 Stam, & 9 secondaries (https://www.wowhead.com/item=119400&ilvl=25)

Is it worth it over https://www.wowhead.com/item=11684&ilvl=26 ?

With crusader as strong as it is, yes. Anything for crusader.

 

[Mnemonic]

With crusader as strong as it is, yes. Anything for crusader.

Hmm, well Ironfoe already brings your crusader proc per hit up to 4.7% with the extra hits, so a 9% relative increase in procs.

I really, really don’t think the marginal extra proc chance over Ironfoe is worth what you give up.

 

[Goesid]

Hmm, well Ironfoe already brings your crusader proc per hit up to 4.7% with the extra hits, so a 9% relative increase in procs.

I really, really don’t think the marginal extra proc chance over Ironfoe is worth what you give up.

The slower speed is gonna up your damage too. Its definetly worse than cudgel but I dont see anything else trumping it especially not Ironfoe. But feel free to test it out if youre in doubt.

 

[Chops]

just on a general note, I dont think asking Ivo to add a bunch of items that have to proc just to be as good as items that dont have to proc is really doing anyone any favors.

Thats essentially just asking him to rebuild wowhead

 

[Ivo]

What about the 1h mace "Spinescale Hammer" rare with its 3.0 speed might be of use to someone.

https://www.wowhead.com/item=156967/spinescale-hammer?bonus=6691

That's a pretty bad weapon. No point using.

 

[Gandara]

I want to recommend 3 STR two handers that while definitely not BiS, have decent amount of secondaries to fit in certain builds.

https://www.wowhead.com/item=13045/viscous-hammer?bonus=6659

5 WDPS
7 Strength
4 Stamina
17 Critical Strike

Classic BoE, drops from RFK Bullfrog.

https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=87423/bjams-door-breaker?bonus=6659

5 WDPS
7 Strength
10 Stamina
6 Critical Strike
7 Haste

MoP BoE.

https://www.wowhead.com/item=13052/warmonger?bonus=6659

5 WDPS
1 Strength
20 Haste

Classic BoE, obtained through Flawless Draenethyst Sphere turn-ins from Kum'isha. Blasted Lands rares farm required.

 

[Ivo]

I want to recommend 3 STR two handers that while definitely not BiS, have decent amount of secondaries to fit in certain builds.

https://www.wowhead.com/item=13045/viscous-hammer?bonus=6659

5 WDPS
7 Strength
4 Stamina
17 Critical Strike

Classic BoE, drops from RFK Bullfrog.

https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=87423/bjams-door-breaker?bonus=6659

5 WDPS
7 Strength
10 Stamina
6 Critical Strike
7 Haste

MoP BoE.

https://www.wowhead.com/item=13052/warmonger?bonus=6659

5 WDPS
1 Strength
20 Haste

Classic BoE, obtained through Flawless Draenethyst Sphere turn-ins from Kum'isha. Blasted Lands rares farm required.

Thanks for the suggestions. Viable weapons but outclassed by https://www.wowhead.com/item=27986?ilvl=25 and https://www.wowhead.com/item=2877?ilvl=27
In my opinion the ones already listed are the only competitive choices for a 2H str weapon. They're also easier to get that these 3.

 

[Mnemonic]

just on a general note, I dont think asking Ivo to add a bunch of items that have to proc just to be as good as items that dont have to proc is really doing anyone any favors.

Thats essentially just asking him to rebuild wowhead

Hey, @Ivo , can you rebuild wowhead? I don’t like their interface. Thanks.

 

[Ivo]

Hey, @Ivo , can you rebuild wowhead? I don’t like their interface. Thanks.

https://www.wowdb.com/ done.

 

[Ivo]

Added a few new items. Thanks for the suggestions!

 

[Embu]

Added a few new items. Thanks for the suggestions!

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As always, thanks for the daily help you provide!

 

[Kertcher29]

Hello, since Chubakass' awesome spreadsheet hasn't been updated for quite some time and meta has changed a bit I decided to make another one that includes all good items (armor, weapons, trinkets).

I made an HTML version because I don't like google sheets and it also gives me more options. I tried to include all useful gear regardless of whether they're dungeon drops, quest rewards, BoEs, craftables etc. Legion/BFA green BoEs aren't included.

Wowhead tooltips are also available as well as a mobile layout.

I might've missed some items but there's a google form link on the main page which you can use to suggest an item to be added/removed or dm me/comment here. If anyone has any suggestions about the items, appearance, typos, etc. please say so . I intend to update this regularly and keep it up to date. Also once Drustvar and Nazmir become lvl 20 zones I'll add those items as well.

Thanks to @Chops for helping me on the 2H weapons, @Andre on the agi weps and @Peer for his massive trinket knowledge.

I hope this is useful to new players or even some experienced ones.

Here's the link:
https://twinkdb.github.io/20/home.html

Does this still work?

 

[Derpyhooves]

Thanks for this @Ivo!

The other day I was searching for a specific trinket for an enhancement build and a gentleman/lady in one of the communities directed me to a less-known (at least to me) trinket (Cooper’s Horseshoe) I think others would be interested in, also. It’s worth mentioning that the “see also” tab on the following wowhead link has some other interesting and less known trinkets others may find useful.

https://www.wowhead.com/item=158220/coopers-horseshoe#see-also

 

[Ivo]

Thanks for this @Ivo!

The other day I was searching for a specific trinket for an enhancement build and a gentleman/lady in one of the communities directed me to a less-known (at least to me) trinket (Cooper’s Horseshoe) I think others would be interested in, also. It’s worth mentioning that the “see also” tab on the following wowhead link has some other interesting and less known trinkets others may find useful.

https://www.wowhead.com/item=158220/coopers-horseshoe#see-also

Can you please test this outside and inside BG/arena? Check the actual stats rather than the tooltip of the buff. Most BFA trinkets are not worth it.
[doublepost=1640264177,1640239277][/doublepost]I'm planning to add a builds page to twinkdb. Basically players submit their builds(not characters) with items, gems, enchants etc.
This is intended to work in a similar way to sites like HearthstoneTopDecks or all of those MOBA games sites with builds for different heroes.

There will be a list of all the guides and filters that allow you yo filter by class or spec.
When clicked each link redirects to the build which will look like the in game character screen. Items will be shown using wowhead tooltips as they allow me to add gems and enchants as well. For example: https://www.wowhead.com/item=27986/crow-wing-reaper?bonus=6710&gems=32193:32193:32193&ilvl=25

Obviously this is just an idea and nothing is final. I haven't even started working on it. Suggestions are appreciated.

Here's a big flex mock up of the builds list made on none other that MS Paint:
As you can see there will be icons for the class and spec as well as guide title, creator, stat priority used for the build and 'GF', 'Vet' and 'F2P' tags to better indicate what items the build consists of. I might add a 'Rare' tag as well.

And of course this is just a mock up, the feature will have twinkdb's current color scheme, fonts, images etc.

 

[Kirise]

I'm planning to add a builds page to twinkdb. Basically players submit their builds(not characters) with items, gems, enchants etc.
This is intended to work in a similar way to sites like HearthstoneTopDecks or all of those MOBA games sites with builds for different heroes.

I can't express the sheer level of enthusiasm I have for such a thing to exist, and your mock screenshot encapsulates 90% of why. Armories and guides struggle (for different reasons) to provide context for the information they offer. A "builds" resource like the one you propose would give us the opportunity to show how we think we should build around particular talents, specs, gear, roles, account restrictions, you name it. If the builds are easy to search and sort through, I predict it would become the single most-used resource for twinking outside of WoWhead. And just like Hearthstone decks, most people will simply want to construct and share builds, and a few people will want to write theses on their builds. This resource would inspire a rash of mini-guides.

What would it take to create such a beast? Because I would guess it would take a lot, and I'd want you to be realistic about the crescendo of demands you'll face once you get this off the ground until you reach feature completion. But heck yeah! Do it!

While I hesitate to peer into the crystal ball of twinking, I agree with others that gear will stay pretty stable for a long, long time. Once you build this resource, I can see 20s using it for years, much like we used to do with CharDev. This will surpass CharDev on several fronts.

I don't know if there's a way we can contribute to help you make this happen, but if you think of something, post it!

 

[Ivo]

A small update of the builds list page. Ignore the background, the chrome extension I use for full page screenshot messed up.
The actual build page isn't done. I hope wowhead tooltips behave well and don't cause any problems.

 

[Ivo]

This is how the build page looks. Feedback on the page is appreciated. Feedback on the build itself is not. This is test data.

 

[Kirise]

This is how the build page looks. Feedback on the page is appreciated.

So far, so great! Comments and questions:

1. I love that you can put both > and = in the stat priority field. Is that a text field i.e. could you put something like 1 int = 1.2 vers = strawberry strudel?
2. Does this work well on phones i.e. do the Gear, Enchants, etc. blocks stack vertically or something like that?
3. Fantastic to see the "optional" next to Master's Inscription of the Crag and the commentary on the gems i.e. being able to put explanatory text next to linked entries! Can we put text with no entries e.g. if a build recommends a range of BoEs with particular stats for a given slot?
4. Multiple entries per section e.g. rings, hand enchants, etc. is awesome!
5. If someone like me wants to write five paragraphs of notes, can the Notes section do paragraphs?
6. If a piece of gear or other item is not in the TwinkDB because I'm making a meme build, will I still be able to include that gear?
7. Will there be a way to deep link a build i.e. if I want to directly reference a particular build when posting here on the XPoff forums, can I do so?

You're speeding along on this build feature -- thank you for your zeal!

 

[Ivo]

So far, so great! Comments and questions:

1. I love that you can put both > and = in the stat priority field. Is that a text field i.e. could you put something like 1 int = 1.2 vers = strawberry strudel?
2. Does this work well on phones i.e. do the Gear, Enchants, etc. blocks stack vertically or something like that?
3. Fantastic to see the "optional" next to Master's Inscription of the Crag and the commentary on the gems i.e. being able to put explanatory text next to linked entries! Can we put text with no entries e.g. if a build recommends a range of BoEs with particular stats for a given slot?
4. Multiple entries per section e.g. rings, hand enchants, etc. is awesome!
5. If someone like me wants to write five paragraphs of notes, can the Notes section do paragraphs?
6. If a piece of gear or other item is not in the TwinkDB because I'm making a meme build, will I still be able to include that gear?
7. Will there be a way to deep link a build i.e. if I want to directly reference a particular build when posting here on the XPoff forums, can I do so?

You're speeding along on this build feature -- thank you for your zeal!

Yes to all questions!
The data is stored in a json file with some custom markup that is converted to html so there are limitless possibilities.

 

[toskosa]

Anyone have any ideas for a high crit/haste weapon setup for casters? anything that isnt from the dungeon journal that I may have overlooked? I will keep looking on my own just looking for some wisdom from fellow twimks.

Also nice work on all this ivo, looking forward to this enw feature.