iPvP & Duels gearlist? - rogue

ConnorMcG

ConnorMcG

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So I'm an old player, just wonder what type of gear I should be going for now? As you can see I'm very MOP like / random crap. Would be nice to get some spec info too because I've not played since legion launched, I hated all the class remakes.
 
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@ConnorMcG
Ilvl is irrelevant now so just go for the stats you want. Pvp power is pretty strong to a certain extent - about 10%ish seems to be the point at which agility becomes better (it's obviously going to depend on the rest of your gear).

Also I personally recommend getting some resilience in places where you don't have to sacrifice a lot of other stats to get it, ie the socketed brutal pieces. I'm running ~9% resilience on my rogue, but I know a lot of rogues like going full glass canon.

Besides my recommended 10% pvp power (which will take 7-8 pvp power gems to reach) you'll want to socket http://www.wowhead.com/item=28363/deadly-ornate-topaz in the rest of your gear.

Subtlety is definitely the strongest spec both in terms of damage and utility. A lot of people don't want to bother learning it so they just play one of the other (significantly easier) specs, which is fine. All three specs are really good.

Eddie said:
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/bleeding-hollow/blackberryy

prob best geared rogue for ipvp as of right now.
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I beg to differ.
 
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Dreams said:
@ConnorMcG
Ilvl is irrelevant now so just go for the stats you want. Pvp power is pretty strong to a certain extent - about 10%ish seems to be the point at which agility becomes better (it's obviously going to depend on the rest of your gear).

Also I personally recommend getting some resilience in places where you don't have to sacrifice a lot of other stats to get it, ie the socketed brutal pieces. I'm running ~9% resilience on my rogue, but I know a lot of rogues like going full glass canon.

Besides my recommended 10% pvp power (which will take 7-8 pvp power gems to reach) you'll want to socket http://www.wowhead.com/item=28363/deadly-ornate-topaz in the rest of your gear.

Subtlety is definitely the strongest spec both in terms of damage and utility. A lot of people don't want to bother learning it so they just play one of the other (significantly easier) specs, which is fine. All three specs are really good.


I beg to differ.
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i don't beg to differ xD. ATM my gear is set up for assassination gameplay, including the extra trinket proc etc, to help alternate procs on satyr and the trinket. Haste is king atm for assassin so i am using all crit haste pieces etc, and am playing around with pvp power until i find a place i think it works well. Pvp resil is not required enough to lose that much agility on the 2 piece brutal set, along with that much of a haste loss being detrimental to my current spec. I am in route to get some 5 crit 5 agil gems from the pvp vendor and still crunching out numbers as we speak, but as of right now this is some of the best gear choices for ipvp. The trinket alone does 2k+ damage per arena lol. I like sub alot, but i am a fan of the way haste flows with it, being that haste is my favorite stat in the game. i do not think sub is difficult compared to the other 2 other( honestly plays the same as legion minus the honor talents ), and i would disagree that it has the same damage potential as assassin. No doubt sub is king for control but assassin is fun and strong atm. Incoherent rant over, it's late here, bed time...
 
Blackberryy said:
i don't beg to differ xD but im still missing this and this and this
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Blackberryy said:
Haste is king atm for assassin... i am a fan of the way haste flows with it, being that haste is my favorite stat in the game
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I'm 99% sure haste is not a good, let alone the best stat for assassination, mate.


Blackberryy said:
The trinket alone does 2k+ damage per arena lol.
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Great so for the low low price of one measly trinket slot you get less than one eviscerate crit per game. Sign me up.


Blackberryy said:
i do not think sub is difficult compared to the other 2 other( honestly plays the same as legion minus the honor talents ), and i would disagree that it has the same damage potential as assassin.
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Saying any spec in the game is "difficult" is a bit of a joke. You can only really talk about relative difficulty. Subtlety is very easily the more complex of the rogue specs. Not just in terms of toolkit, but also in terms of the role it plays in arena. I don't think you can disagree with a straight face.


Blackberryy said:
No doubt sub is king for control but assassin is fun and strong atm
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It's funny whenever you make any claim about one spec being better than others, no matter how much you qualify the statement or disclaim it with lines like "All three specs are really good.", people will still interpret it as "SUB IS THE BEST AND ALL OTHER SPECS ARE GARBAGE".
 
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Dreams said:
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I'm 99% sure haste is not a good, let alone the best stat for assassination, mate.



Great so for the low low price of one measly trinket slot you get less than one eviscerate crit per game. Sign me up.



Saying any spec in the game is "difficult" is a bit of a joke. You can only really talk about relative difficulty. Subtlety is very easily the more complex of the rogue specs. Not just in terms of toolkit, but also in terms of the role it plays in arena. I don't think you can disagree with a straight face.



It's funny whenever you make any claim about one spec being better than others, no matter how much you qualify the statement or disclaim it with lines like "All three specs are really good.", people will still interpret it as "SUB IS THE BEST AND ALL OTHER SPECS ARE GARBAGE".
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You seem to really take everything I say to heart. And I don’t k ow about you, but a free eviscerate crit in a game that lasts all of 6 seconds with barely 15-20k damage done isn’t bad. It also can crit up to 1.5k alone allowing it to surpass any other trinket you put in that slot. You can say whatever you’d like man, to me assassination flows well with haste and I would put it as an important stat for them, of course with a healthy mix of others. When I truly find where it’s optimized ill post it up but atm I’m still playing around with things. And as always jumping to conclusions, I think everything atm is balanced and all rogue specs are completely viable. Also subs shadowy duel honor talent makes it crazy strong
 
Sponsor said:
I'd recommend following twinks' armory who have Bloody Dancing Steel/Spirit of Conquest/helmet enchants.
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I'm not sure if you're joking but the enchants only required 2.2k rating which anyone regardless of skill or knowledge could've gotten. The head enchants only mean that your character existed sometime before mop came out, so they're also not necessarily indicators of anything.

I wish I could tell you otherwise, but I wouldn't actually recommend taking any advice you read on xpoff to heart without testing and confirming it yourself. Just because there seems to be a decent amount of people who like to share their completely unresearched opinions as if they were fact.
(US twinks)

Blackberryy said:
You seem to really take everything I say to heart.
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Yeah man, if you were joking about anything you said in the last post I didn't pick up on it, sorry.


Blackberryy said:
I don’t k ow about you, but a free eviscerate crit in a game that lasts all of 6 seconds with barely 15-20k damage done isn’t bad
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If your games are that short you're probably not playing against competent players and probably shouldn't base your gear choices on it. I can see why you don't like resilience too, if you're just building to play skirmishes against heirloomed levelers.
 
Dreams said:
I'm not sure if you're joking but the enchants only required 2.2k rating which anyone regardless of skill or knowledge could've gotten. The head enchants only mean that your character existed sometime before mop came out, so they're also not necessarily indicators of anything.

I wish I could tell you otherwise, but I wouldn't actually recommend taking any advice you read on xpoff to heart without testing and confirming it yourself. Just because there seems to be a decent amount of people who like to share their completely unresearched opinions as if they were fact.
(US twinks)


Yeah man, if you were joking about anything you said in the last post I didn't pick up on it, sorry.



If your games are that short you're probably not playing against competent players and probably shouldn't base your gear choices on it. I can see why you don't like resilience too, if you're just building to play skirmishes against heirloomed levelers.
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Nah, I play against plenty of competent players and good players at that. I just don’t see why a rogue needs more than about 5% resil you get from the chest enchant, guardian bracers and the shoulder enchant honestly. I’m not really trying to prove my gear is bis, just that the trinket I’m using is absolutely insane, and that my gear works just fine for every situation I’ve played in
 
Razqt said:
yes i cant get you out of my head
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Blackberryy said:
5% resil you get from the chest enchant
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Why would you sac 10 agi and 10 stam for 8 resilience when you can get the resilience at a way lower cost elsewhere?
Blackberryy said:
I’m not really trying to prove my gear is bis, just that the trinket I’m using is absolutely insane, and that my gear works just fine for every situation I’ve played in
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I never said that you claimed to be BiS. But you did claim to be the best geared rogue at level 70 which you aren't. The fact that you cite "it works for me!" as a reason why it's the best, or even good, is a bit worrying.
 
Dreams said:
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Why would you sac 10 agi and 10 stam for 8 resilience when you can get the resilience at a way lower cost elsewhere?

I never said that you claimed to be BiS. But you did claim to be the best geared rogue at level 70 which you aren't. The fact that you cite "it works for me!" as a reason why it's the best, or even good, is a bit worrying.
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I personally don’t use the chest enchant nor said it was mandatory, also I didn’t say I was best geared I just agreed that I believe that I was, until I see another armory of a rogue more well geared then I’ll recuse that statement
 
Blackberryy said:
nah lol
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I think my gear is better in pretty much every objective measure, right? You have ~18% more agility at the cost of ~10% crit and ~10% pvp power, so even in terms of offense I have more damage than you. And then I've also squeezed in 9% damage reduction from resilience.

In my opinion these forums should be about spreading helpful information to as many twinks as possible. So when you're defending your own self-admittedly incomplete build for seemingly no reason, you're not helping anyone, you're actually doing a disservice. Especially in your position as "bracket coordinator" who people are more likely to blindly follow.
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Razqt said:
onlydream's rogue is about as awfully geared as my rogue https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/ravencrest/Fameboyx
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your rogue is pretty decent just missing some pvp power and a meta gem :) You don't wanna be giving up the critdmg, especially not when you're running 34% crit lol
 
Dreams said:
I think my gear is better in pretty much every objective measure, right? You have ~18% more agility at the cost of ~10% crit and ~10% pvp power, so even in terms of offense I have more damage than you. And then I've also squeezed in 9% damage reduction from resilience.

In my opinion these forums should be about spreading helpful information to as many twinks as possible. So when you're defending your own self-admittedly incomplete build for seemingly no reason, you're not helping anyone, you're actually doing a disservice. Especially in your position as "bracket coordinator" who people are more likely to blindly follow.
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i don't think you have a better build nor are you proving it is by claiming it. So instead of throwing fingers at who is wrong, make like your telling me and go prove you're build is better than telling me it is. The way pvp scaling works its not admitted to just say that because a macro tells you how much damage increase you're gaining from pvp power prove it does. I have yet to see where it is better and you have yet to tell me. Stop bashing and start proving
 
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