If this guild didn't exist...

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I think there would still be a bracket if they didn't exist. There are only a handful that play regularly that I've noticed (Silin, Pizza, Zeiren, Curley, Dory, Ko, Adeus), and there are plenty of full games that happen without anyone from Waw Tawent in them. People will argue that farming will kill the bracket. While I agree it's detrimental to the players directly affected by the farming, it's not EVERY game that it happens and I don't think it will entirely ruin the bracket. I thoroughly disagree with farming graveyards, but they play objectively from time to time and offer some good games when they do.

This isn't 100% true. I'd say I get almost all of my games as ally against WT.
 
This isn't 100% true. I'd say I get almost all of my games as ally against WT.

That is only now, because Pizza has Twiggi to pocket him. In the months that you were inactive, WT was way less dominant in the bracket.

It seems as if besides you, Twiggi and Kancer, WT doesn't have too many active healers.
 
Doesn't really matter if you guys talk about these issues here or on vent. Nothing is going to change the way things go. I personally would love to see more Ally queing up.
 
A single guild will not kill 19's or keep them alive. Unless of course we all join one or two guilds. :p
 
That is only now, because Pizza has Twiggi to pocket him. In the months that you were inactive, WT was way less dominant in the bracket.

It seems as if besides you, Twiggi and Kancer, WT doesn't have too many active healers.

The funny thing is that WT runs light on hunters and healers, and heavy on locks/shamans/warriors/druids.
 
WT pretty much helps horde a shit ton. imo if everyone from WT quit horde would be hurt badly. they might win a game here and there but for the most part ally would dominate the fuck out of horde. and then since WT is gone every guild in the bracket would try and fight for the #1 and we can't have that happen because it would get to their heads and that guild will think their tough shit when most of the guilds active atm are good guilds but never should be considered #1.

You're right. It probably would go to their head like it has gone to your head.

First of all, competitive twinking is a super small niche in a dying game. Most twinks are not running pre-mades and couldn't care less about competitive guilds and their "rankings". Second, I would adamantly argue that WT now (or whenever they were at their prime) would get owned by the top old school 19 guilds. Third, so let's assume WT is the top guild in the US for 19 twinking. What does that get you? Bragging rights perhaps over like 10 other competitive guilds in the entire United States? There's only 10 competitive 19 guilds because not many people are interested in being in them. That's like arguing that you're the best under-water basket weaving team in the country...means very little because no one really wants to do under-water basket weaving. So don't get too big of a head, my friend.

Twinking always has been niche and always will be (though I wished it was more popular...not for e-peen sake but activity-sake). All the e-peen that goes around on this forum and the WoW forums is just ridiculous. This website was created for info (hence the name)...not for petty arguments about who's basket weaving team is best and if they quit would basket weaving cease to exist.

It's sad to see twinking devolve as I really really loved it and the community that went along with it. There is no community anymore...just a bunch of self-promotion.

-Ink

P.S. We're all taking the OP's bait.
 
Sounds like Inkobah is butt hurt, Honestly if those insects weren't around another guild would just simply "rise to thy hatred thrown". Kudos to them for making every peasant who just joins the bracket fear them. It's ashamed this run will only go on until MoP, when the 19's will be at its best
 
You're right. It probably would go to their head like it has gone to your head.

First of all, competitive twinking is a super small niche in a dying game. Most twinks are not running pre-mades and couldn't care less about competitive guilds and their "rankings". Second, I would adamantly argue that WT now (or whenever they were at their prime) would get owned by the top old school 19 guilds. Third, so let's assume WT is the top guild in the US for 19 twinking. What does that get you? Bragging rights perhaps over like 10 other competitive guilds in the entire United States? There's only 10 competitive 19 guilds because not many people are interested in being in them. That's like arguing that you're the best under-water basket weaving team in the country...means very little because no one really wants to do under-water basket weaving. So don't get too big of a head, my friend.

Twinking always has been niche and always will be (though I wished it was more popular...not for e-peen sake but activity-sake). All the e-peen that goes around on this forum and the WoW forums is just ridiculous. This website was created for info (hence the name)...not for petty arguments about who's basket weaving team is best and if they quit would basket weaving cease to exist.

It's sad to see twinking devolve as I really really loved it and the community that went along with it. There is no community anymore...just a bunch of self-promotion.

-Ink

P.S. We're all taking the OP's bait.

I'd take your post a bit more seriously if you did not include the blurb about "would get owned by the top old school 19 guilds". You are engaging in the petty arguments that you disparage in the same post.
 
Sounds like Inkobah is butt hurt, Honestly if those insects weren't around another guild would just simply "rise to thy hatred thrown". Kudos to them for making every peasant who just joins the bracket fear them. It's ashamed this run will only go on until MoP, when the 19's will be at its best

The sound you hear is disgust in what twinking has become. And the fact that anyone could write what Adeus wrote is just unbelievable. I mean to get that big a head over twinking in WoW is laughable. I'm not trying to be mean...I'm trying to be honest to him and others. A bunch of people around here need some reality checks...that's what you read above: a reality check. The pride of some of the self-promoters is blinding them to the reality of things.

Besides, "you're just butthurt" (or other variations) is one of the biggest cop-outs to entertaining the idea that what someone is telling you is true. It always has been and always will be.

Finally, I admit that I'm lamenting the olden days. Old people do that when they feel young kids ruin things. Sorry if you don't like it but I can assure you there's more than just me around here that feels that way. As a matter of fact, there's a growing number of people that share my opinion.

-Ink

Edit: I wish twinking (or even 19s specifically) was at its best in MoP but I don't see how adding new content makes it better than the days when there were a lot more twinks (and therefore more active games in a variety of brackets) with a tighter community. Twinking isn't about new content, better skills, or talents, or items...well I guess it is now, which is another reason twinking is devolving. Twinking to me was always about the community and being able to actively play games without the carrot-on-a-stick feeling of end game PvP. If only vanilla/BC private twink servers could capture the community and population of the old days...I'd be hooked.
 
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That is only now, because Pizza has Twiggi to pocket him. In the months that you were inactive, WT was way less dominant in the bracket.

It seems as if besides you, Twiggi and Kancer, WT doesn't have too many active healers.

It was somewhat like that when I came back, but I guess. I'm also not really as active on horde because alliance is hurting during the day.. I mean, I don't mind losing 8 games in a row at all.. x]
 
It was somewhat like that when I came back, but I guess. I'm also not really as active on horde because alliance is hurting during the day.. I mean, I don't mind losing 8 games in a row at all.. x]



Only 8? Try 30+...And it doesn't matter day or night lol.
 
I'd take your post a bit more seriously if you did not include the blurb about "would get owned by the top old school 19 guilds". You are engaging in the petty arguments that you disparage in the same post.

I'm not trying to disparage the argument of ranking as much as trying to point out Adeus' delusions of grandeur. Everyone likes rankings in every setting of competition. There's no shame in that. It becomes a problem when you start thinking that your little league team is really special when they won the league championship (and there's only 10 teams in the league in the entire country). What takes it a step farther is when you then have to verbalize that you are the best little league team in the country (out of 10) to everybody. I understand that being "the best 19 guild" might seem like a big deal because it's something you're invested in, but trying to make the case that you're a big deal in WoW twinking means squat in the larger scope of the world.

There's a reason why until recently a "best of" thread wasn't allowed on TI...it's because it always turned into people arguing that they were way more special than they really were. And then other people who thought that they were even more special came in and started arguing they were more special...and so on. Ahhhhh...the cycle of e-peen over things that really don't matter in life. A bit of humility could really go a long way around here. I don't know why the staff allows those types of threads all of a sudden...it's certainly not up to me anymore, but it is awful interesting that 2 regular benefactors of these kinds of threads are now on the staff. Hmmm...

-Ink

P.S. Dorigon, I'd take your post a lot more serious if you weren't wearing that ridiculous hat in your avatar pic. I kid, I kid. :) You're a solid dude, but I had to make the joke. :) Also all the "you's" in my post aren't really directed at you....they're general "you's".
 
I'm not trying to disparage the argument of ranking as much as trying to point out Adeus' delusions of grandeur. Everyone likes rankings in every setting of competition. There's no shame in that. It becomes a problem when you start thinking that your little league team is really special when they won the league championship (and there's only 10 teams in the league in the entire country). What takes it a step farther is when you then have to verbalize that you are the best little league team in the country (out of 10) to everybody. I understand that being "the best 19 guild" might seem like a big deal because it's something you're invested in, but trying to make the case that you're a big deal in WoW twinking means squat in the larger scope of the world.

There's a reason why until recently a "best of" thread wasn't allowed on TI...it's because it always turned into people arguing that they were way more special than they really were. And then other people who thought that they were even more special came in and started arguing they were more special...and so on. Ahhhhh...the cycle of e-peen over things that really don't matter in life. A bit of humility could really go a long way around here. I don't know why the staff allows those types of threads all of a sudden...it's certainly not up to me anymore, but it is awful interesting that 2 regular benefactors of these kinds of threads are now on the staff. Hmmm...

-Ink

P.S. Dorigon, I'd take your post a lot more serious if you weren't wearing that ridiculous hat in your avatar pic. I kid, I kid. :) You're a solid dude, but I had to make the joke. :) Also all the "you's" in my post aren't really directed at you....they're general "you's".


Quick question,

Is there a reason you are not working for or with TI? I'm almost shocked at your maturity level.
 
You could play 10 games in a day, and win 9 of them easily, free from any players from WT. What game will you remember, however? You will remember the 25 min farm fest that WT played in. They really aren't that prevalent in the bracket imo, just play the game and have fun. If it stops being fun, take a break.
 
Why hasn't this thread been closed yet?

"I will removed any threads regarding Waw Tawent" - Pizza

Our [Community Leader] should know better than this. :(
 
Well, after 8 I just get bored and play my 85 or something like that.

I used to just drop and go play my 85s. That lasts a total of 30 minutes. 70s have been keeping me pretty busy but evevn that has issues sometimes too.
 
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