The Saint
I won't like you
Don't bother mate. It's in fact our bracket. The sea belongs to the shark, the land to humans, wow to subscribers, it's a food chain thing. If F2Ps left we'd still have wow and one bracket or another to play. They'd have?
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Don't bother mate. It's in fact our bracket. The sea belongs to the shark, the land to humans, wow to subscribers, it's a food chain thing. If F2Ps left we'd still have wow and one bracket or another to play. They'd have?
Shaket
Legend
If f2ps stop spouting bullshit like it is fact, I will not have to bring the full bore of Science down upon them. I generally ignored their previous gripes about 24s before, because of my own lack of 24 interest. However, now the f2ps have re-entered the 20-29 bracket, and obviously wish to now spout bullshit about 29s. Now there is beef, and I will put it on a Kaiser bun and slather it with Science Sauce, and serve it back to them.
Shaket
Legend
They'd have Farmville, it's free, but I guess they'd have to pay if they wanted something like a tractor. I imagine the Zynga forums would light right up...
Bloodinhoo
Legend
That sounds...terribly boring. Besides some specific people, almost no one is "spouting bullshit" about your precious 29, exactly because we know how precious they are for most of you. You may not know, but the majority of the VOCAL f2ps ( most in this forum ), were all twinks before the f2p conversion. You can acknowledge that and chill and enjoy your bracket, or you can keep your crusade with your "science" ( which btw, i don't see here, but i won't try to change your beliefs of the sky being green ), and being pissed and piss off other people.
Maybe we all should try to build a healthy bracket instead of a shattered one. Or maybe you really should call your friends and wargame all night. Like i said, you have that possibility now. Or Skirmish, i don't know exactly what's the term or whatever hue.
And for you Saint, i'll bite the bait:
It's no one's bracket. Your account is as rented as mine were. It's blizz bracket, and blizz choose to allow f2ps to play. So, it's technically the bracket for everyone.
No one can claim ownership of something they can't hold only for themselves.
Edit, to avoid doubleposting:
Now, if you gentlemen won't be against it, i'll report this thread since it's more of trollbait than constructive discussion as of it.
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Achmed
OG
Same topics every day, same shit over and over, you guys didn't get tired cuz i really am.
Scaling will come to skirmishes but 29's will still have an upper hand, we, you must live with it.
If you don't like it, sub and go end game, i don't believe you would sub only to play a 29, that would be stupid and a waste of $$.
If you don't want to pay and you don't agree playing vs 29's, just gather up and start doing your own wargames, i'm sure you guys can find p2p's to help you.
Fact is, no matter how much you voice vs p2p's, nothing will change. We had this debate for over 2 years now and nothing has changed isn't it?
So, mods, please lock this topic and all the upcoming topics on this subject (no offence to OP), but, like i've said, nothing will change.
Scaling will come to skirmishes but 29's will still have an upper hand, we, you must live with it.
If you don't like it, sub and go end game, i don't believe you would sub only to play a 29, that would be stupid and a waste of $$.
If you don't want to pay and you don't agree playing vs 29's, just gather up and start doing your own wargames, i'm sure you guys can find p2p's to help you.
Fact is, no matter how much you voice vs p2p's, nothing will change. We had this debate for over 2 years now and nothing has changed isn't it?
So, mods, please lock this topic and all the upcoming topics on this subject (no offence to OP), but, like i've said, nothing will change.
Bloodinhoo
Legend
Calm down, there's no need to be upset.
I do agree with you, and as i've been saying, you guys also can wargame as p2p, i don't see the issue.
Achmed
OG
I'm calm as the sea on a sunny beautiful summer day mate
And i speak from F2P pov, just saying
Srs
Legend
The virus kills the shark, and the bacteria and fungi feast. Circle of life baby! And I'm the starfish!
Anyway, I hope when you say that you'll be unsubbing, that means that you'll be f2p'ing it full-time. It's like going from renting an deluxe apartment, to owning your very own HUD home! Join us; it's bliss!
If not, the good luck with your new girlfriend, better job, improved health, and all the other things that can come from taking a break from wow. Personally though. I ain't got time for that!
Rollop
Legend
Again with this "who owns the bracket" QQ. You continue to piss and moan about an issue you have. Nobody else said anything about denying anybody the right to play. As for the rest of your insults about how i dont pay, i probably have more active subs than you. This is probably true for the majority of TI users who trial twink. So spare me your self righteous bullshit about how you're so much better than the peasants. As for F2Ps making the bracket pop? Anyone with half a brain would realize that's the case, and has always been the case. Ask the 29s how many BFGs they've had pop. If for whatever reason blizzard decided to cut off trials, the majority of p2p twinks in this bracket would scatter to the winds. Eventually ending up in either the 70s, or stuck rerolling 10s to faceroll new players in white gear. I think your issue is that the F2P twinks here actually respect the original 29s. But what'd you expect, really?
Bloodinhoo
Legend
willix
Legend
BG scaling hasn't really helped against 29s, what makes you think it will help with skirms? So long as you guys insist on playing accounts you don't have to pay for, you will be a free HK in the 29 bracket.
Neon said:
What would actually help the twinking community (all brackets, not just F2Ps), is if people stopped playing starter accounts to twink. Pay for a sub fee, make toons in all brackets, profit from a much better game experience. Instead you guys insist that 'not paying' is the best for everyone, which drains activity from all other brackets. We can't get 39s/49s to pop... because the players needed to support those brackets are too busy 'playing for free.' This welfare mentality is bad for twinking.
Achmed
OG
No, you don't get pops on 39's and 49's because when the XP ON/OFF switch first came, people were too lazy to actually put effort by keeping the brackets alive because you/we were a minority and you/we sucked the blood from levellers to stay alive. Ofc there were some that wanted to make it work(myself included), but a very few. Same shit happenet to 29, 19, etc.
And trust me, if f2p's will actually sub, they will go higher and explore the game, at least 90% of them thus killing again 29's, 19's, etc.
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Bloodinhoo
Legend
Someone who blames the healthcare instead of the people who abuse it is completely and utterly wrong. Don't come here thinking that we are the sole culprit because your "friends" aren't loyal or have some sort of willpower to make the bracket work.
Jadyne was working his ass off to make a 39 community on molten, and later, make the 49. He moved with most of his friends to Retail, and i'm pretty sure he's being able to withhold the community there.
You, on the other hand, is only able to believe that we are the ones to take the blame because most of your partners in the bracket have no sense of loyalty.
I may be a free to play, but i damn sure am not free to blame. Don't. Even. Start.
/Thread. Please lock. Enough with this, the trolls are beggining to come.
Rollop
Legend
It's the trial account twinks fault that all the OG twinks abandoned their brackets to go faceroll starters... You're really serious about that too. In all honesty, it's not the players fault, f2p, or p2p. It's blizzards for creating it. Allowing trials to play, allowing p2ps in the same bracket etc. They could remedy it pretty quickly. By either disabling trial accounts or giving them their own bracket.
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Tom Ganks
Guest
Um. Because I can take on 29s in bgs? Because I have experiencing facing them head on? Idk that's a silly question. Scaling has evened the playing fields last time I checked.
Nothing is free (in terms of gameplay), you have to earn those hks, as well as earning them against 29's. I don't think it matters weather an account is free or not, an hk is an hk.
Shaket
Legend
To be fair, I don't think anyone from 49s went f2p, they all either let their subs run out, went to 70s and then let their subs run out, or went 90 and probably let their subs run out. As for 39s, while I have seen some 39s @ f2p, I don't feel that segment alone would be enough to get 39 games going again with daily games.
OP
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Tom Ganks
Guest
willix
Legend
Rollop said:
People didn't abandon their bracket to go 'faceroll starters.' They abandoned their brackets because it was far too much work to get 20 people interested and coordinated enough to show up for games a couple nights a week. Even then, we've revived these brackets several times, despite 20-24s existence. The problem is that you begin to realize how much of a losing battle you're fighting when instead of killing yourself to get a couple hours worth of games, you can just hop in a 24/7 queue on an account you don't even pay for and play whenever you want to.
In essence, you no longer have to depend on a community for activity. If you don't think that a major chuck of F2Ps used to be active members of other brackets (brackets they would have had to pay to play in), then you're pretty delusional. Yes, I know there are some 24s who came to steamroll starters, but they are still the minority. F2P twinks had to come from somewhere before starter accounts existed.
Robarist said:
It's still far from even. I've played in BGs since 6.0 on my 29s, and even my weakest classes eat F2Ps for breakfast. The only time I've had any trouble is when it's 5 vs 1 and even then I've often come out on top.
Bloodinhoo said:
Why is it that whenever anyone comes to share some reality with F2Ps, you kids start screaming for thread locks? If you don't want other people to share their opinions on your bracket, don't make these sorts of threads.
Achmed said:
Orly? You must have missed the part where people from every bracket pulled together to centralize twink activity to a specific battle group so they could facilitate pops. Tons of players either server transferred or rerolled fresh toons in 3.2 to get around the problems that the XP off switch generated. Then for the last 2.5 expansions, many of us have done what we can to organize activity in any given bracket.
It's not the XP off switch that killed games, it's the F2P bracket that's killed games. Very few people are actually willing to support a revival and support their bracket when they can just make a 20 or a 24 and never have to worry about games fitting their schedule. I'm not sure you really understand the effect this has on a bracket.
Achmed said:
I think it's funny that when challenged, this is your response. 'Even if we did pay, we'd just go do something other than support a different twink bracket, thus establishing the truth that yes, we are leeches who give zero fucks about the actual twinking community.'
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