Hunter damage breakdown 4grizzle

[Snowjobs]

Grizzlefoot

https://www.mediafire.com/?yksbocotd2e7nq8

pretty easy to use sheet showing your damage as various hunter spec. this can be used to find "bis" gear

I did this on a special request but figured others might want to use it as well.

How to use dis

green colums are ones u change red ones don't touch.
simply look at your character and copy the stats into the respective columns
for the secondary stats put them in decimal format .ie 23%=.23
If you spec is survival out a 2 in the box if it isn't put a 0 .
For the weapon dps box look at your weapon and copy it's base dps
for the speed input it's base speed .



Notes/Disclaimers:

-haste doesn't go into any calculations as it doesn't effect burst.
-hunter pet auto attacks were not included only basic attacks. -insignificant
-all ability numbers were taken from wowhead (the same wowhead that says hpallys should heal for about 1.2k with word of glory )
-over all though if a set shows bis damage in the sheet it should be bis damage in game.

 

[Retreatt]

Dank work

 

[Grizzlefoot]

I appreciate your hard work, but can you translate the easily readable spreadsheet to someone who can't figure out an easily readable spreadsheet?

 

[Snowjobs]

I appreciate your hard work, but can you translate the easily readable spreadsheet to someone who can't figure out an easily readable spreadsheet?

an extra 10 ap is roughly equal to 100 extra damage in ur 3 sec burst window.

also i guess i should put in some instructions for use.

 

[partygirl]

sick work man looking nice

 

[Bone]

I want to clarify something for any hunter coming in here trying to decide on a spec along with their gear choices. The reason survival is so much better than MM and BM currently is it's consistent Flintlocke's procs.

Survival has Explosive shot, a 15 focus (6 sec cd). The three ticks from explosive shot and low focus cost allow you to pool focus (staying above 60 but not reaching 100) and fish for procs. Comparing your dmg output while not having a proc to a time where you also do not have a proc is akin to comparing which gun is deadlier while reloading. Using your math, we know that

an extra 10 ap is roughly equal to 100 extra damage in ur 3 sec burst window.

so with proc you have a 1120 dmg increase on the 3 second burst window. Having more reliable procs leads to more opportunities for kills.

Keep in mind that Flintlocke's has a 30 second internal cd so you have to work around it.


Edit: I also want to add that crit will show up as a pretty awful stat on this sheet but remember that crit is a % dmg increase so when you have a flat dps increase with 112 extra agility from Flintlocke's the non-linear scaling of crit is actually pretty decent. Crit still isn't fantastic though since the 30 second internal cd of flintlocke's makes you hit like a wet noodle a lot of the time. Just don't go giving up a ton of crit for a small amount of agility based purely off non-proc times.

 

[Snowjobs]

I want to clarify something for any hunter coming in here trying to decide on a spec along with their gear choices. The reason survival is so much better than MM and BM currently is it's consistent Flintlocke's procs.

Survival has Explosive shot, a 15 focus (6 sec cd). The three ticks from explosive shot and low focus cost allow you to pool focus (staying above 60 but not reaching 100) and fish for procs. Comparing your dmg output while not having a proc to a time where you also do not have a proc is akin to comparing which gun is deadlier while reloading. Using your math, we know that so with proc you have a 1120 dmg increase on the 3 second burst window. Having more reliable procs leads to more opportunities for kills.

Keep in mind that Flintlocke's has a 30 second internal cd so you have to work around it.


Edit: I also want to add that crit will show up as a pretty awful stat on this sheet but remember that crit is a % dmg increase so when you have a flat dps increase with 112 extra agility from Flintlocke's the non-linear scaling of crit is actually pretty decent. Crit still isn't fantastic though since the 30 second internal cd of flintlocke's makes you hit like a wet noodle a lot of the time. Just don't go giving up a ton of crit for a small amount of agility based purely off non-proc times.

If it were possible to have somebody do a flintlock proc test and just dps a person in a duel for 10 min. you could take the proc damage and the non proc damage and apply weights to each result to find the best over all set.

for example if your flintlock was up for 3 min out of the 10 min total you would do .3*burst w/ proc + .7 *burst w/o proc and find the best over all set

but yes. with flintlocks procced you will get more benefit from secondary stats compared to w/o the proc

 

[Fancy]

That would explain why when i get into situations in my full damage set against a hunter in a more hp set i go pretty even, good stuff. Im just amazed the numbers are so low.

 

[Snowjobs]

That would explain why when i get into situations in my full damage set against a hunter in a more hp set i go pretty even, good stuff. Im just amazed the numbers are so low.

well keep in mind the burst I show in the sheet is a 3 second window . if you were to totally dump all of your focus it would be higher for sure. zerker would give u 30% more on top of that and if you throw in the added ap from flintlock you can really see how silly hunter damage can get.

 

[Chykcha]

Any possibilities to make MM haste DPS spreadsheet?
Because the problem with MM and haste is that not only your DPS of lower casting time increases, your natural focus regen and regen from steady shot increases as well, higher focus regen > more aimeds > bigger overall DPS. I've got the whole picture in my mind, but no idea how to put it in numbers.

 

[Bone]

Any possibilities to make MM haste DPS spreadsheet?
Because the problem with MM and haste is that not only your DPS of lower casting time increases, your natural focus regen and regen from steady shot increases as well, higher focus regen > more aimeds > bigger overall DPS. I've got the whole picture in my mind, but no idea how to put it in numbers.

I have bad news for you. Haste scaling on focus regen is abysmally bad.
The base focus regen is like ~4 focus/second so even with like 40% haste (which you probably wouldn't get) you'd only get an additional 1.6 focus/second. It would then take 19 seconds for you to gain an extra Arcane shot or 32 seconds to gain an extra Aim Shot. The haste would mostly be helping you with steady shotting and shorter Aim Shot cast times.

 

[Chykcha]

I have bad news for you. Haste scaling on focus regen is abysmally bad.
The base focus regen is like ~4 focus/second so even with like 40% haste (which you probably wouldn't get) you'd only get an additional 1.6 focus/second. It would then take 19 seconds for you to gain an extra Arcane shot or 32 seconds to gain an extra Aim Shot. The haste would mostly be helping you with steady shotting and shorter Aim Shot cast times.

So i've done some math and it seems that for MM spec, 1% of haste = 1% of damage, this is for aimed shot+steady+auto, didnt count pet attacks.

 

[Rusks]

So bm hunters get exotic pets at 10 for 6.2 will bm be new meta?

 

[Chykcha]

So bm hunters get exotic pets at 10 for 6.2 will bm be new meta?

For 19bracket you get +5% crit +10% sp and waterwalking, 20 get hysteria + some damage abilities, doubt BM will do anything good, because KK is too weak.

 

[Grizzlefoot]

Bump for hunter twinks

 

[Sketchbag]

This must be why [MENTION=7109]Grizzlefoot[/MENTION] is leagues ahead of any other hunter!

 

[Neon]

bend the king of spreadsheets

 

[Hajima]

People need a spread sheet to know agi will benefit hunter's damage the most?

 

[Stabilt]

People need a spread sheet to know agi will benefit hunter's damage the most?

actually depends, obviously pure agi increases your dps.
when you got flint proc you gain dps swaping 2 crit for 1 agility, its 4 crit for 1 agi without the proc