How to not get killed by warriors as a healer?

[Taofight]

I know the exact situation you are talking about and it happens in all brackets and expansions. It will happen more often if you are rusty (or having room to skill up), but either way the answer is the same thing. Smile because what is about to happen is THE ABSOLUTE MOST FUN PART OF TWINKING (imo) which is why I wanted to post!

What is going down is you are now fighting an equaling geared and skilled player who recognized you are a threat and wants to shut you down!!! Opportunity: battle and defeat that player and revel in the victory!!!

You are lol healing your whole team during a group fight, then a CERTAIN warrior shows up, jumps on you and you can barely keep yourself alive. This is totally normal and what you have been preparing your character and self for! That is why they jumped you, to stop you healing your whole team, so don't expect that you are going to keep doing that while they are on you.

PLAN

1. Identify these players as early as possible. Ideally you know them by name.
2. Watch them on the battlefield and manage your cooldowns and engagements so you are prepared for the fight with one or more of them. What this means for example is if you don't have to enter a fight that is going to use your Divine Protection when the next fight could have the certain player jumping you, save that cooldown. If its not an important fight to winning the game and it will use your cooldowns to win, don't start it.
3. Bait the player. People like joining a skirmish. Start a fight you know people will pile on that is positioned in a favorable spot for your team. Start the skirmish where that certain player will join and your team has the upper hand.
4. Accept that even before that player jumps you, you are still fighting them, and that when they jump you, you are 100% just keeping yourself alive and not healing the team anymore. You are benefiting the team by surviving the fight with this player overall and giving your team the time to finish what they are doing and help you.
5. Prep for getting jumped. Maybe normally you will let your health drop to 50% while healing other people. But you know who this certain warrior is and see him coming and so you keep yourself at 100% and have your holy power saved up. Maybe start Bestow rolling, get Holy Shock off cooldown, reposition, yell at your teammates.
6. Your chance to bail. Decide your level of risk and importance of that fight. He is going to jump you. Is that going to be a 1v1 or are other people going to be helping from each side? You know about how long you survive just 1v1. Is that long enough for the skirmish fight tide to turn in your teams favor and get help? Has anyone on your team been coming to your assistance in the past, is that player in the fight currently or positioned where they will join it before you are dead? You could just bail now if you think he will kill you and you don't want to suffer that humiliation.
7. You decide to stick in there
8. ITS GOING DOWN! ENJOY! Give 100% attention and cooldowns/consumables to fighting this player. Glory awaits.

 

[glancealot]

Delete your Paladin and make a new one with proper gear, then you will not get owned by warriors.

so much hatred towards a stranger on the internet? why would i delete my paladin? i only struggle against warrior, i do well against all other classes.

i think it's more about how i play against warrior, instead of how i gear my paladin.

i am not afraid to ask for advices because that's one way to get better. i literally said "it takes 2~3 non-warrior twinks to kill me", people somehow conveniently ignore that part?

notice how unbiased and objective @Kakakaka is? folks need to chill and be more like him.

 

[Neon]

so much hatred towards a stranger on the internet? why would i delete my paladin? i only struggle against warrior, i do well against all other classes.

i think it's more about how i play against warrior, instead of how i gear my paladin.

i am not afraid to ask for advices because that's one way to get better. i literally said "it takes 2~3 non-warrior twinks to kill me", people somehow conveniently ignore that part?

notice how unbiased and objective @Kakakaka is? folks need to chill and be more like him.

There is no hate. You might as well delete your Paladin and make a new one with proper gear. 119 intellect and movement speed stacking is not viable on paladins. If you think hallowed ground is clever with speed stacking you can do it even better with a Druid, a class that actually is supposed to be fast and shift out slows more effectively. I play holy Paladin as well and I can say warriors alone are the last class to give me a hard time, only when there are several players on me is a warrior giving me a hard time. What it comes down to is using the right gear and not using a 2h weapon with 119 intellect. On my Paladin I can solo twink warriors so it most definitely comes down to your gear, imagine swinging a 2h weapon on holy Paladin with low intellect at a warrior the very thought makes me cringe to oblivion. You keep asking for advice people keep trying to tell you sonic the hedgehog Paladin is trash and not viable. Many people including myself have debunked your trash can build time and time again you refuse to listen. Stay small bud keep dying to warriors lmao, your a lost cause.

 

[glancealot]

i am unsure why you are turning this into a "your build/gear sucks" thread. save your breadth, i am enjoying my paladin very much besides the getting-owned-by-sallyg part.

i am literally singling out warrior as the ONLY class that gives me trouble (a statement that you continue to ignore), i will incorporate the constructive suggestions posted so far and report back.

i don't know why you do so well against warriors, maybe you are just a better player, i am okay with that, i wouldn't be playing this game if i thought i had no room for improvement.

 

[Neon]

I am turning it into your build sucks thread.
1. because it sucks
2. because you have 119 intellect how you kill or heal anybody amazes me
3. You lose armor and damage using a 2h weapon without mainstat

I am trying to help but you won’t listen

btw I play holy Paladin and I kill warriors so you should probably listen to me

 

[glancealot]

I am turning it into your build sucks thread.
1. because it sucks
2. because you have 119 intellect how you kill or heal anybody amazes me
3. You lose armor and damage using a 2h weapon without mainstat

I am trying to help but you won’t listen

btw I play holy Paladin and I kill warriors so you should probably listen to me

i consider myself a PVP tank.

if you leave me alone, i can output significant heals thanks to my haste and vers, after brilliant wizard oil and flask and well-fed buffs.

if you try to kill me, you are gonna be frustrated unless you are a warrior

i wish there was a "dmg absorbed" column in BGs.

 

[Chops]

i wish there was a "dmg absorbed" column in BGs

its rolled into "healing". Which is how warriors end up with so much healing.

 

[Neon]

i consider myself a PVP tank.

if you leave me alone, i can output significant heals thanks to my haste and vers

if you try to kill me, you are gonna be frustrated unless you are a warrior

i wish there was a "dmg absorbed" column in BGs.

I have played with you, your heals are bottom of the chart because of your low intellect.

If you want to be more useful you should make a Druid and speed stack on that.

 

[Miles]

@glancealot @Neon isn't hating on you directing. You asked why you keep dieing to warriors and Neon is telling you his opinion on why that is. Gotta take the negative with the positive when reaching out to the community for advice.

 

[glancealot]

its rolled into "healing". Which is how warriors end up with so much healing.

i see, thanks, didn't know that. learning something new everyday.

 

[Epichealtime]

i consider myself a PVP tank.

There's your issue. Your thread is entitled "How to not get killed by warriors as a healer". You need to change from a tanking to a healing mindset.

 

[ZenwØw]

REROLL MONK !

 

[Pexela]

i consider myself a PVP tank.

You queue as a healer. You are not a tank. Tanks have shields. Even DKs have blood shields. You're carrying a twohander. That's not tanking. Are you FC'ing? Do you have good CC? Are you able to guard your healers? Tanks have a specific job, you are a glorified midfighter with meme builds.

if you leave me alone, i can output significant heals thanks to my haste and vers, after brilliant wizard oil and flask and well-fed buffs.

Well built healers are going out of mana to sustain their team, when their position is good and they're not under threat. You are telling us all that you, ill-positioned as you are to get engaged by a Warrior, are not running out of mana, and are able to keep everyone topped off with 119 Intellect, on a bracket full of bursty ranged classes? I find that hard to believe.

if you try to kill me, you are gonna be frustrated unless you are a warrior

I really don't get how this happens. Warriors are known bad disengagers. They are a commit class. The only way a warrior is giving you trouble is if you're not playing behind your team. See Chops' guide on Warriors. The entire class is timing-based, and it requires knowledge of windows of opportunity for bursts. If you're having problems with Warriors, it's because you're giving these openings.

Which means your openings against way safer and more dangerous classes are even worse. I can't even begin to think how awful your record against Hunters must be.

i wish there was a "dmg absorbed" column in BGs.

Fun fact, that exists in Smite. Only two types of players appear there: The Support players, and the feeders.

Going from your comments on Tence's guide and your stubborness to be anything but a detriment to your team, i'm safe to assume what group you're part of.

 

[JadeFire]

The real thing that saves you is the same thing that saves any healer regardless of their skill or gear. Is your team going to peel the warrior off?... or are they worthless.

 

[Pexela]

The real thing that saves you is the same thing that saves any healer regardless of their skill or gear. Is your team going to peel the warrior off?... or are they worthless.

Or are your healer so shoved up the enemy's team ass that you can't reach him? While he tried to speedbuild go brrrr his way back to you and getting CC'd to hell in the process?

There is this misconception that a team should make up for a player's mistakes, but there are mistakes that you can't make up for. I'm willing to bet you that Glance's build is a derivation of his midfighter mindset and he's going tunnelvision while blasting Eurobeat in the background. At that point, you just realize he's not healing both by incapability ( build ) and by unwillingness ( mindset ) and you cut your losses.

Let him aggro whoever he can with that racecar theory of his, he's worth more as a target dummy at that point.

 

[JadeFire]

Or are your healer so shoved up the enemy's team ass that you can't reach him? While he tried to speedbuild go brrrr his way back to you and getting CC'd to hell in the process?

There is this misconception that a team should make up for a player's mistakes, but there are mistakes that you can't make up for. I'm willing to bet you that Glance's build is a derivation of his midfighter mindset and he's going tunnelvision while blasting Eurobeat in the background. At that point, you just realize he's not healing both by incapability ( build ) and by unwillingness ( mindset ) and you cut your losses.

Let him aggro whoever he can with that racecar theory of his, he's worth more as a target dummy at that point.

But... I mean...Eurobeat.

 

[BANKONE]

I think it comes down to positioning. If you just run away from the team fight you leave the door wide open for you to be trained down by a heavy dps class like warrior.

you mentioned that if you are left alone you can top charts. You’re a healer. In any non pug game that’s never gonna happen.

 

[Kaxle]

There is no escape, just flailing dwarf arms and death

 

[Pexela]

But... I mean...Eurobeat.

I'm a huge proponent of Eurobeating your enemies to death. Movement speed builds are something i hold dear to my heart in Smite.

That being said, there's a difference between playing a quirky build that has side-graded effectiveness and being GOOD at it, and playing a bad build that tosses all it's chips in one specific jar and hoping to do well. Glance just found his counter, and that's what he gets for playing a weird build badly.

And i enforce the badly here. His mindset of downgrading the voices of the most experienced HPalas in the bracket in the name of...whatever the hell is his line of thought, tells me MUCH about how he plays and thinks about the game. He's not just bad, he's stubborn and tries to debase math and empirical evidence on a math's game.

 

[JadeFire]

I'm a huge proponent of Eurobeating your enemies to death. Movement speed builds are something i hold dear to my heart in Smite.

That being said, there's a difference between playing a quirky build that has side-graded effectiveness and being GOOD at it, and playing a bad build that tosses all it's chips in one specific jar and hoping to do well. Glance just found his counter, and that's what he gets for playing a weird build badly.

And i enforce the badly here. His mindset of downgrading the voices of the most experienced HPalas in the bracket in the name of...whatever the hell is his line of thought, tells me MUCH about how he plays and thinks about the game. He's not just bad, he's stubborn and tries to debase math and empirical evidence on a math's game.

Honestly the main heat he gets is 1) Using the RuneBlade as a healer, instead of farming a few more pieces of gear with speed and then using a real healer weapon. 2) Making wild ass claims like "topping the charts"... maybe once... maybe if the other team was garbage and there were no other healers on his team. His claims just insinuate that everybody else here is out of their mind stupid... hence why it comes across as trolling/nonsense.