How to counter level 80 DPS with 409 BoE's.

[Splosion]

It's actually more due to the ilevel requirement of gems. I can read, but that wasn't what I was saying at all.

 

[glancealot]

80-84s can use the MoP gems as BS, as long as the gear is above 416

this is what you were saying.

it is wrong.

they can't.

 

[glancealot]

if you still don't get it....they simply cannot apply the extra socket onto 416+ gears because you need to have 550 BS to do that.

as i stated many posts earlier...

 

[Splosion]

I never said otherwise....

 

[Aelobin]

yet you disregarded my entire post when i did mention a resil stacking shaman in the very first sentence. i have a feeling that either you were being subjective or you hate reading wall of text.

I disregarded your entire post because you used Zmirnoff's burst PvE dps (including a potion) as a basis for a PvP arguement/point. You do realise in order to get those kind of numbers he has to be lucky with a windsong mastery proc and have all his cooldowns up, right? I don't see how that's an accurate representation of what damage someone would do in an average PvP situation.

How would he survive with about 50k hp + 40% resi (~83k EH) and no insignia? I know Ice Barrier would help on top of that, but I highly doubt he'd survive long enough to get all his DoTs up on (and kill) an enemy (or several) that are capable of CC'ing, interrupting/silencing, healing, popping defensive cooldowns, dispelling, using an insig, or even just bursting him down. Remember, he could only kill a resi stacked resto shammy (Xipe) with all his cooldowns and no use of dispels/insig.

I'm not saying the rest of your post is wrong (I actually went back and finished reading it, and yes levels higher than 80 could be very powerful if geared right), but it would've been a lot more credible if you'd done tests on a PvP geared (plus the 409s) mage and came up with your required EH numbers from that value instead.

 

[Fez]

/raises hand

"Why can't you get to 550 BS?"

 

[Splosion]

There's nothing stopping you. You just can't use MoP gems in 80s gear.

 

[Fez]

At level 80, no, there's no 417 gear.

These: Bracers of the Neux Dawn - Item - World of Warcraft are ilvl 433 so it will take mop gems.

Are yall saying only 80 cant get mop gems or are yall saying that all 80-84 cant get mop gems? You all lost me

 

[Splosion]

I was saying 80 can't get mop gems, rendering BS (and jwc) useless for that level. I give no fucks about levels higher than that.

 

[Fez]

Okay, we're on the same page then. And agreed, lol!

this is what you were saying.

it is wrong.

they can't.

No. YOU are wrong, they can.

 

[Splosion]

If the gear is above 416 (ie 417) and they get 550 BS (which is possible at 80), why wouldn't they?

Love the calibre of poster in this forum now xD

 

[glancealot]

hmmm, i thought 600 BS requied 85?

 

[glancealot]

guess not...

Blacksmithing - Spell - World of Warcraft

 

[glancealot]

yet you disregarded my entire post when i did mention a resil stacking shaman in the very first sentence. i have a feeling that either you were being subjective or you hate reading wall of text.

although this does require 85. so MoP gems in belt slot is out.

 

[glancealot]

updated the OP accordingly.