How to beat hunters and rogues as HPal

only if you are alliance with the eyepatch and human with double AGM.

an average (not insane enough to fish endlessly or farm MM) hpal without a hat has 1600 HP and 1900 HP in bg( buffed) Strikesix @ Daggerspine - Community - World of Warcraft

a hunter HAS a 40 YD range PLUS posthaste so even if you bubble the conc shot and try to use your swiftness potion to catch him 60% speed>50%.

-Use Hoj- he trinkets.

By that time bubble has worn off and he will put the conc shot in you again, yes you can trinket that too and you still have swiftness potion buff but then he will just scatter and gain even more distance.


and then its just a matter of time before his teammates catch up and ''release spirit''

When you die-used a trinket/ bubble/and potion CD and hunter used none of his major CDS

- You can only 'hshock'' a hunter

-Denounce has a cast time and a 30 YD range.


artugdsufvuyw3RDFIJJKRDNGXNJKW i got trolled hard
 
Tiger said:
Lmao if you get opened on by a 24 rogue as ret you just die. You're at 1.2k health as an HPal after the evis so if you try and flash of light you die as well.
Brov: yeah that generally works against bad hunters but the good ones range your denounce so you need HoJ
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Implying that there are good hunters int his bracket.
If you're getting max ranged, just move on and avoid the nub.
 
inoobupro said:
only if you are alliance with the eyepatch and human with double AGM.

an average (not insane enough to fish endlessly or farm MM) hpal without a hat has 1600 HP and 1900 HP in bg( buffed) Strikesix @ Daggerspine - Community - World of Warcraft

a hunter HAS a 40 YD range PLUS posthaste so even if you bubble the conc shot and try to use your swiftness potion to catch him 60% speed>50%.

-Use Hoj- he trinkets.

By that time bubble has worn off and he will put the conc shot in you again, yes you can trinket that too and you still have swiftness potion buff but then he will just scatter and gain even more distance.


and then its just a matter of time before his teammates catch up and ''release spirit''

When you die-used a trinket/ bubble/and potion CD and hunter used none of his major CDS

- You can only 'hshock'' a hunter

-Denounce has a cast time and a 30 YD range.


artugdsufvuyw3RDFIJJKRDNGXNJKW i got trolled hard
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If you're too lazy to gear yourself then I feel like the hunter deserves to win anyway lol. Also your team is just as likely to help in the fight as the hunter so your point about being conc'd doesn't make much sense. In any case even if you are undergeared you still heal for the same amount so unless the hunter can burst you for 1900 you should still win.
[MENTION=8592]Brov[/MENTION]: haha fair enough
 
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Dont see point in using bubble against single DPS be it hunter/rogue, better die in this 1v1 if you have to and save bubble for major fights later.
There is no point in starting with bubble too since hunter will disengage and run 30y+ to not get damaged by denounce. Actually the fight vs hunter and rogue is simple : stay at 70-80% HP and fakecast, with rogue it's hard, since he has 15sec CD on kick, but with hunter it gives you 1min CD on moth (2min on BE silence). If you cant outheal hunter damage while CC is on CD - you're bad.
 
The QQ in this thread... pop your CDs, and then dont fuck up on your next encounter with a hunter/rogue /thread



Can this be said for all classes? I thought this was a hard and fast rule at this point.


Any new players would do well to read this

http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f43/f2p-premade-strats-tips-discussions-59569/


Instead of listening to constant QQ/trolling.

You'll be alright little duck. It's not as complicated as everyone makes it.
 
one thing to think about is that hunter damage is sucky once they use their focus, which will be like 1 serpent, 1 explosive, 2 arcane.
dispel the serpent asap, many hunters forget to reapply, and then a chunk of his damage is just gone.

wouldnt go toe to toe with a hunter with moth, but other pets should be fine. get him to lock you at high hp, just start with denouncespam. he cant kill you in those 3 sec. then hardcast heals, and shock+denounce him, while he does low dmg steady shots. he wont have burst left so your actually pretty safe, unless he steadyshot himself to 100 focus again. that never happens, most freak out.
 
Tiger said:
Stam stacking Hpals have 2.6-2.8k hp and denounce debuff makes it so that you can't crit. It's very unlikely that you global a pally.
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Phew 2,6-2.8k...lets see.....
So take my Toon on Burning Steppes:
2504 HP with Mining and Stam-Scroll
2634 with Dual AGM (but no Insignia ofc)
+Naga Gloves+1 Bloodring+15 HP-chestenchant+Fortified Bracers and if suicidal go for alch every other week while dropping herb for another 8 HP
= 2687 in BG but the fuck do u lose other stats...what have I forgotten?

PS: best tip I have to share is hammer the moth since it has no insignia.
 
Spiriel said:
Phew 2,6-2.8k...lets see.....
So take my Toon on Burning Steppes:
2504 HP with Mining and Stam-Scroll
2634 with Dual AGM (but no Insignia ofc)
+Naga Gloves+1 Bloodring+15 HP-chestenchant+Fortified Bracers and if suicidal go for alch every other week while dropping herb for another 8 HP
= 2687 in BG but the fuck do u lose other stats...what have I forgotten?

PS: best tip I have to share is hammer the moth since it has no insignia.
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Pet and hunter share insignia effect so HOJ can be removed, cunning pets also have this
 
Spiriel said:
Phew 2,6-2.8k...lets see.....
So take my Toon on Burning Steppes:
2504 HP with Mining and Stam-Scroll
2634 with Dual AGM (but no Insignia ofc)
+Naga Gloves+1 Bloodring+15 HP-chestenchant+Fortified Bracers and if suicidal go for alch every other week while dropping herb for another 8 HP
= 2687 in BG but the fuck do u lose other stats...what have I forgotten?

PS: best tip I have to share is hammer the moth since it has no insignia.
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You forgot food buffs. The number also explodes if you have fort or a standard down. That's why I added a range of 2.6-2.8k
 
Chykcha said:
Pet and hunter share insignia effect so HOJ can be removed, cunning pets also have this
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Yes was bad phrasing. I meant pets have no own insignia.
Also moths are ferocity afaik.

Tiger said:
You forgot food buffs. The number also explodes if you have fort or a standard down. That's why I added a range of 2.6-2.8k
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Ah yes and in theory u also can switch wep for another 20 so 2794 with lots of statloss but with a little less effort you can get an easy 2704 with Dual AGM, BHoG, Mining, Bufffood and Scroll and the gear I wear. Not too bad
 
Hunter pet spec can be changed, regardless of what it is naturally. A hunter with a cunning moth pet has two trinkets, if the hunter is half decent your hoj on the pet will achieve nothing but wasting your cooldown.
 
dero said:
Hunter pet spec can be changed, regardless of what it is naturally. A hunter with a cunning moth pet has two trinkets, if the hunter is half decent your hoj on the pet will achieve nothing but wasting your cooldown.
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Interesting. Things you dont know when u never touched a hunter once in 10 years.
Thx for the info. The fact that I do this on a regular basis and never noticed a dispel once says a lot then I guess.
In the end the brief moment for 1 FH is still better than trying to hammer the hunter.
 
Spiriel said:
Interesting. Things you dont know when u never touched a hunter once in 10 years.
Thx for the info. The fact that I do this on a regular basis and never noticed a dispel once says a lot then I guess.
In the end the brief moment for 1 FH is still better than trying to hammer the hunter.
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Probably didn't use it because most hunters have their pet abilities on auto cast. Pet automatically uses Bullheaded (it's trinket) on whatever CC's it, regardless of usefulness of using it at that time. Bullheaded also has a 3 minute cooldown, longer than standard trinket. Also doubt most hunters will use their insignia if their pet is CC'd, and not the hunter itself.

Basically, if Bullheaded is on cooldown, which you can see with a cooldown watching addon, you can safely hoj the hunter's pet, as I'm sure most hunters in this bracket have all their pet abilities on autocast anyway.
 
Spiriel said:
Yes was bad phrasing. I meant pets have no own insignia.
Also moths are ferocity afaik.


Ah yes and in theory u also can switch wep for another 20 so 2794 with lots of statloss but with a little less effort you can get an easy 2704 with Dual AGM, BHoG, Mining, Bufffood and Scroll and the gear I wear. Not too bad
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You can also farm crystal of vitality for an extra 5stam if you try hard like me lmao
 
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