How good is talasite for healers?

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I will posit that the idea of excelling at being hard to kill is a wrong one to chase. The idea should be to win the match. Being hard to kill does help you (help your team) win the match, but if you are going to sacrifice your output, pushing being hard to kill too far will absolutely be a net loss.

I remember the following story from the past:

Once upon a time there was a WoW blogger called Greedy Goblin, his blog is available for reading to this day. His shtick was calling others morons and slackers and figuring out various unorthodox ways to "beat the system". Sometimes this was interesting and useful, but frequently just stupid.

After he stopped playing WoW, he moved on to other games, doing the same thing. One of the games he played was PUBG - a battle royale (you and 20 or however many it is others are dropped on an island, then you fight there and whoever dies last wins). After some time playing he decided he found a super-great winning tactic. The tactic was: avoid fighting other players, stay on the outskirts of the map trying to be invisible, then when the map starts collapsing (the system adds a collapsing circle that ticks and reduces at regular intervals of time, people outside of it start losing health, this is done to combat never-ending matches) move with its edge towards the center eating health packs and die out of fatigue. Nobody else did that for obvious reasons (who wants to play the game like that?), so he thought of himself as a great inventor, managed to get up in ratings (not to the very top, but some distance).

The idea of excelling at being hard to kill seems pretty similar to me. I mean, if you want to minimize deaths, why the hell stop at stacking talasites? Just go to the farthest corner of the map where nobody will go. Roll a stealth class and stay stealth, too.

It's the idea that is wrong.
 
I've answered this before but we found the sweet-spot for Healers was about 2.3-2.5k HP outside of BGs (4k inside).

I think this is exactly what I was looking for. thanks!

All of glance's build choices revolve around running around trying to be hard to kill in pugs, not actually teamfighting as a co-ordinated group. He will be running around with 140+% ms and 30% vers while wearing https://www.wowhead.com/item=13505/runeblade-of-baron-rivendare?bonus=6712 so he isn't concerned about the scenario you described. If you are queuing in a group this kind of build definitely won't be an issue to you but if solo/duo don't be surprised when half your team can't look past the "easy" kill.

this guys gets me!

K here I am to give you some attention. Usually this is where I say dont take it personally but this time due to pure dumbass I hope that you do take it that way.

1.) EVERY bg I've seen you in, you are not working as a team player. There isnt an excuse in the world for this.

2.) Bashing another guild on here in public doesnt help the bracket you were basically crying about in the last thread. (Even if I dont care for a good handful of them). That's just something you dont do.

3. If I saw your stupid ass with anything over 4k health. You're gonna sit sheep the entire time while I kill everyone around you. Then I'm gonna troll you for at least another 30-45 seconds of your time. Because I just dont deal with idiots respectfully.

4.) You should prolly stack some speed now that you know I'm gonna be looking for you. (Wanted to make sure I added to the dumb thread).

i guess because your guild members are mods here, you are allowed to initiate personal attacks?

i don't know about you but i saw an influx of horde twinks after my "elephant thread" went "viral", so whatever i was doing worked. (I even re-subbed to work on my gears because i didn't enjoy steamrolling alliance)

but let us stick to the discussion here and not turn this into another thread about your guild (you are trying too hard to turn every thread about your guild).
 
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It's a bit of a sliding scale imo depending on what class/spec you are playing, what class/spec any other healers on the team are using, peels, and how bent the other team is on killing you. If I'm getting smashed consistently I'll swap in some more stam and say something to my teammates.
 
Didnt bother reading all, but in my exp. 1vs - bg. Healing spec at 20 want atleasr 2.8k hp maby 3k. After that you waste your gems. Better invest in stat or prim at that point. Remember, youre healer. Outsmart. Fake. Cc and heal. Just saying. More heals = better dps. You just make sure, you will survive 1-5 blows (3k more than enaugh)
 
One of the games he played was PUBG - a battle royale (you and 20 or however many it is others are dropped on an island, then you fight there and whoever dies last wins). After some time playing he decided he found a super-great winning tactic. The tactic was: avoid fighting other players, stay on the outskirts of the map trying to be invisible, then when the map starts collapsing (the system adds a collapsing circle that ticks and reduces at regular intervals of time, people outside of it start losing health, this is done to combat never-ending matches) move with its edge towards the center eating health packs and die out of fatigue. Nobody else did that for obvious reasons (who wants to play the game like that?), so he thought of himself as a great inventor, managed to get up in ratings (not to the very top, but some distance).

i will be honest with you here, never played the game, but this sounds like something I would do.

guilty as charged!
 
i guess because your guild members are mods here
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i will be honest with you here, never played the game, but this sounds like something I would do.

guilty as charged!

If you find that fun, then sure, why not. It's just that when you ask an opinion about some build, people assume the end goal is a win. Staying alive for as long as possible or minimizing deaths are different goals.
 
If you find that fun, then sure, why not. It's just that when you ask an opinion about some build, people assume the end goal is a win. Staying alive for as long as possible or minimizing deaths are different goals.

once my sub ends (i am making some fundamental changes in terms of gears, runeblade stays however) i will post some videos of my gameplay and you guys can judge if i am helping my team win. i actually recorded some footage before I resubbed but accidentally deleted it.
 
OK. I for one will be happy to say my opinion of the build was wrong, if it turns out that it is actually useful. I am skeptical because I saw people trying it already but maybe they didn't play it correctly, etc.
 
I did not read any of the other comments... and also not very much of the OPs post... in fact I'll be honest I did not read any of it other than the title. I assumed/stipulate there was a lot of nonsense math, pie charts, and other irrelevant data.

Talasites= trash for healing. You are gimping your heals into the ground.

For real games where there are several twinks on each side (pugs don't matter - you can heal naked/in BG crate blues and still be effective there - nobody gives a shit about that - they are irrelevant for any serious discussion).

I can do roughly around 70-100k with my bad monk suit of all talasites... if the games are heavy on REAL twinks I cannot keep up with the DPS toons... it is that simple... if you tell me you are you are FULL OF SHIT... I don't care if you are playing some trash Resto or bonkers Discipline... if you are running in with some Talasite pile you are not keeping up with the DPS from real twinks and you team will die until you are the only target left... and then your HP means nothing... two DPS with a kick or too will melt 5k hp down to zero in 3 seconds or less... again don't lie to yourself.

In my Mastery/Int/Haste set... I can keep up with any amount of DPS as long as I have mana, outside of a Destro just nuking somebody with a full-power-luck-sack "lol Mastery roll". I don't care about DPS when vivify does 1,000, DPS is waiting for me to run out of mana... I'm not concerned about DPS (again tho, I'm in the back doing my job, I'm not running around in the middle range, or chasing down my DPS that wants to go super deep and ignore where I am).

You are lying to yourself when you stack Talasites... it is unneeded if you play correctly and do your job.

IMO a lot of people stacked that crap in the beginning and just flooded out their BC gem slots, and now don't want to resub/take the time to fix things and are just hind-sight justifying a bad decision.
 
I play a pally named docadin who is geared thus way. It is not optimal and if I had other gear options I would, the only reason I have a talasite stack is bc docadin is primarily geared for prof spec. Because I have pre nerf lol 40 weapon gems and a gfd bracers chant I do not suffer from having terribly low spell power. I imagine without the considerable extra int from these items that won't be available to you it would feel allot different.

I can say that (given the cheating gear I have) this is "viable" but it certinately is not optimal. And, like I said, i am not certain it is even viable without the gfd items I have.
 
Too many getting worked up about how someone else gears their toon, at least it isnt fotm. Is it good? No, but do you fam.
This... ppl have no idea why ppl are gearing the way they do. If their sets fits their playstyle and they enjoy it, let them. Sure, math and statistics might not support all sets but all these personal attacks is so triggering. Play your own thing, leave ppl alone if you can’t give any feedback without calling them out. It’s not like a twink with 3-4 “wrong” sockets is going to ruin your whole game, that is all based on their playstyle. I rather play with ppl who are proud of their chars, have fun and do their best in bgs than bis salt players.
 
This... ppl have no idea why ppl are gearing the way they do. If their sets fits their playstyle and they enjoy it, let them. Sure, math and statistics might not support all sets but all these personal attacks is so triggering. Play your own thing, leave ppl alone if you can’t give any feedback without calling them out. It’s not like a twink with 3-4 “wrong” sockets is going to ruin your whole game, that is all based on their playstyle. I rather play with ppl who are proud of their chars, have fun and do their best in bgs than bis salt players.
I see this but it is a little diff posting a thing that you did and are enjoying and asking specifically for critique and opinions. I made a post not long ago looking for some help finishing off my plans for a haste stack smf warrior built to summon dragons and got nothing but support for it. I didn't post asking people if they thought it was an optimal build tho I just shared something I was doing. When someone asks for critique I think its fair to expect some.
 
It's ok as long as you don't try to present your talasite H E A L E R as "BiS"... present it as "I like wacky builds - and there was this one time I lived when I should not have and now I can post on the forums about it and present that one time as if that is the standardized norm and then when people call me out on it with facts and numbers I will ignore them."... then there is no problem.

It's extremely black and white when it comes to proper healing.
 
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Hang on... I just thought of something. What if we stacked dodge on our healers.... then we’d theoretically be immune to melee damage right?

like an infinite amount of effective stamina and self healing!
 
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