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[Falkor]

notepad or just bookmark them

the system gave you enough of an education to get into college, unless you went out and taught yourself for some reason (my HS education was fine, public too)

dunno what other system fucked ya, but i hope you at least orgasmed



i dont really feel bad for the kids left behind. they could better themselves but dont bother...you get what you put in

whether they end up in jail or dead is due to their own choices, dont blame a system for individuals lack of trying to succeed



sounds like english and german are spoken quite frequently, but danish is still the national language so it would seem important to learn, esp for becoming a citizen, but idk



twink

 

[Reflexes]

notepad or just bookmark them

the system gave you enough of an education to get into college, unless you went out and taught yourself for some reason (my HS education was fine, public too)

dunno what other system fucked ya, but i hope you at least orgasmed



i dont really feel bad for the kids left behind. they could better themselves but dont bother...you get what you put in

whether they end up in jail or dead is due to their own choices, dont blame a system for individuals lack of trying to succeed



sounds like english and german are spoken quite frequently, but danish is still the national language so it would seem important to learn, esp for becoming a citizen, but idk



twink

My HS education was a joke, I just read a lot.



Also, that's not true at all, it's regional. Someone could grow up in a low income neighborhood with no opportunity and no job openings, with no way to get out. These are not equal participants within our system, In fact I'd almost call racism considering the areas I'd be referring to. I mean even if they do manage to make something of themselves, it's likely to be mediocre...Compared to most middle class families who won't really have to struggle in the least bit to get into a college, or stay away from violence, narcotic sales, etc, etc, etc. It's always easy to place blame on the people, but let's be real here.



Tinks :3

 

[Goma]

http://www.bbc.co.uk...europe-15137948







when u thot denmark couldnt tax any more they introduce this

 

[Reflexes]

http://www.bbc.co.uk...europe-15137948







when u thot denmark couldnt tax any more they introduce this

That's actually a good idea :3

 

[Falkor]

My HS education was a joke, I just read a lot.



Also, that's not true at all, it's regional. Someone could grow up in a low income neighborhood with no opportunity and no job openings, with no way to get out. These are not equal participants within our system, In fact I'd almost call racism considering the areas I'd be referring to. I mean even if they do manage to make something of themselves, it's likely to be mediocre...Compared to most middle class families who won't really have to struggle in the least bit to get into a college, or stay away from violence, narcotic sales, etc, etc, etc. It's always easy to place blame on the people, but let's be real here.



Tinks :3

thats not regional, its urban vs suburban. and urban kids can have opportunities and job openings. is it harder to stay away from crime and drugs? yes. is it something they can over come? yes. do suburban kids have some of the same problems? yes.

and since places like chicago took down most of the pjs and had the poor move into subsidized housing in the burbs they have even more options. if they squander their opportunities that just proves they dont deserve it; the state shouldnt have to hold their hands.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...europe-15137948







when u thot denmark couldnt tax any more they introduce this

hey i already linked that

That's actually a good idea :3

not really since saturated fat isnt the only, or the even the most important, factor in obesity or poor health in general. its just a failed attempt at social engineering via taxes and just hurts consumers. especially in a state where you already fork over more than half your income



twink

 

[Reflexes]

thats not regional, its urban vs suburban. and urban kids can have opportunities and job openings. is it harder to stay away from crime and drugs? yes. is it something they can over come? yes. do suburban kids have some of the same problems? yes.

and since places like chicago took down most of the pjs and had the poor move into subsidized housing in the burbs they have even more options. if they squander their opportunities that just proves they dont deserve it; the state shouldnt have to hold their hands.







hey i already linked that







not really since saturated fat isnt the only, or the even the most important, factor in obesity or poor health in general. its just a failed attempt at social engineering via taxes and just hurts consumers. especially in a state where you already fork over more than half your income



twink

No, sir. There are in fact areas where job opportunities are more than scarce. When you say "can they overcome it" the answer is yes, but can the majority overcome it? no, no they can't. It's not statistically realistic and our government will actually acknowledge that. The fact of the matter is, the differences in income creating these imbalances shouldn't be so large. Which is something they attempt to fix in denmark. The state shouldn't have to hold their hand? I guess having your upbringing guide you along in life is fair in comparison though, right? Come one now, tink.



It's only a good idea because of how many foods have it. I'm more than willing to give half my paycheck to a place where everything is provided for me. I don't have the NEED for material bullshit.

 

[Falkor]

not very many job opportunities for kids in suburbia, especially during these times. pretty much same opportunities for people in urban areas. there eare plenty of stores in urban areas, resturants, etc. difference is that suburban kids dont typically need jobs since their parents arent crack heads



dont blame the system for dumb peoples mistakes. and dont expect tax payers to hold their hands



its not just differences in income, its how that income is used. are you going to save it, or are you going to buy some crack rocks? do you care about your kids going to school or will you just look the other way and let them become gang bangers?

its not the states job to make sure they make it through against their will





and how is the tax a good idea b/c of how many foods have it? of course foods have saturated fat

. the problem is that saturated fat isnt the major cause of obesity or unhealthyness. so why are you taxing it? and from that article it looks like the danes arent too pleased on the whole, what with hoarding or even looking to get their food from outside the country....and those imports are certainly taxed to high heaven too. its just a failed attempt at social engineering man

a better idea would be making healthy alternatives cheaper, and do that by subsidizing them with all that good ol tax money. or educate the public about unhealthy eating, mark the "bad" foods with labels so people cant claim to be ignorant, etc. plenty of better ideas than another tax



oh and im pretty sure you'll still want material things over there. unless they started a program that gives everyone a great house filled with nice furniture, a sweet tv, internet, cable, water, heat, and power for "free". what do you get for free anyways, just healthcare? so you barely get any benefits from that, unless you're just immune challenged and get sick all the time, but you still give away all your hard earned money. seems fair, not



twink

 

[Donteventrii]

Hope you wrapped it up

 

[Reflexes]

not very many job opportunities for kids in suburbia, especially during these times. pretty much same opportunities for people in urban areas. there eare plenty of stores in urban areas, resturants, etc. difference is that suburban kids dont typically need jobs since their parents arent crack heads



dont blame the system for dumb peoples mistakes. and dont expect tax payers to hold their hands



its not just differences in income, its how that income is used. are you going to save it, or are you going to buy some crack rocks? do you care about your kids going to school or will you just look the other way and let them become gang bangers?

its not the states job to make sure they make it through against their will





and how is the tax a good idea b/c of how many foods have it? of course foods have saturated fat

. the problem is that saturated fat isnt the major cause of obesity or unhealthyness. so why are you taxing it? and from that article it looks like the danes arent too pleased on the whole, what with hoarding or even looking to get their food from outside the country....and those imports are certainly taxed to high heaven too. its just a failed attempt at social engineering man

a better idea would be making healthy alternatives cheaper, and do that by subsidizing them with all that good ol tax money. or educate the public about unhealthy eating, mark the "bad" foods with labels so people cant claim to be ignorant, etc. plenty of better ideas than another tax



oh and im pretty sure you'll still want material things over there. unless they started a program that gives everyone a great house filled with nice furniture, a sweet tv, internet, cable, water, heat, and power for "free". what do you get for free anyways, just healthcare? so you barely get any benefits from that, unless you're just immune challenged and get sick all the time, but you still give away all your hard earned money. seems fair, not



twink

Lmao, that's such a generic right winged response. No there aren't the same job opportunities, period. There are plenty of stores, you're right! Gun stores, liquor stores, legal aid. Do you honestly think there are enough jobs to go around in these areas? You clearly haven't visited or lived near one in your life. It's not about "crack rocks" that's judgemental as fuck. Especially with how dependent your body is with a condition like that. But that's not the case most of the time, MOST of the time there are no(not ones they can't find) I repeat NO viable job opportunities within traveling distance. Even if there was usually they don't have much work experience, their education was very poor(The schools in these areas often suffer more than anything. With budget cuts, and understaffed schools with outdated books and poor curriculum), they have a record(even if for something petty like stealing food because their parents couldn't afford it that month), or minimum wage just isn't enough to support them, and their family with the lack of affordable apartments and housing.



They're exposed to ten times the gang violence and drugs as middle class kids, and at certain points "joining a gang" seems like a plausible option. They offer protection in an already dangerous environment, they offer friendship(or a family like feeling), and they offer income. You're making it seem like because of the current state of economy, suburban kids are struggling just as much. Completely false on every single level. The only similarity is the job market is pretty bad in general. But people are still finding work. As oppose to these low income areas, where now it's even HARDER to find a job.



The taxes are fine, trust me. Paying for education and medical is a fair trade in the end. Not to mention they manage their money a lot better than we do,.







and im pretty sure you'll still want material things over there. unless they started a program that gives everyone a great house

The real estate over there is pretty outstanding. I'm just looking for a small townhouse.



nice furniture, a sweet tv, internet, cable, water, heat, and power for "free"

A bed, don't watch much tv at all, interweb I guess, again don't want tv, waters cool, heats cool, powers cool. It's all cheaper than what you'd pay here, and you should look into denamrks power plans. Pretty neat!

 

[mrdoobry]

God I love TI.



The thread starts as a bragfest about a hedonistic, drug fuelled holiday and turns into a socio-economic flamewar.



Where else can one find such entertainment?

 

[Reflexes]

God I love TI.



The thread starts as a bragfest about a hedonistic, drug fuelled holiday and turns into a socio-economic flamewar.



Where else can one find such entertainment?

Who's flaming?

 

[mrdoobry]

You can be "flaming" one another in a friendly mate type way. Not all "flaming" is openly hostile slagging of one another.

 

[Falkor]

if all my responses are typical right winged, than yours are all super far left. and not true

petty theft is not something that goes or stays on a record that a job would see

there are viable jobs in their vicinity. whats wrong with working in a gun store, liquor store, convenience store, fast food restaurant or the like. and you dont need prior job experience for that. or what about vocational training or apprenticing...other than the fact they dont want to

education level is lower, but so is their will to go in the first place which is the fundamental problem

your claim of "tens times" as much violence and such is unfounded and most likely wrong. real gangs have expanded out of cities, and even w/o that there are still other sources of violence, crime, and gangs in the suburbs. oh and just as much drug use, its just less obvious





public schools are already funded by taxes sooooooooooooo. but that doesnt matter since youre going to be done anyways, so it would only benefit your children, and slightly at that. healthcare sounds nice but you only get your moneys worth if you are prone to sickness or injury, meanwhile all your hard earned money is going to those types of people instead of being more useful to you ie saving all of your money and only using it when needed vs losing all of it and not necessarily seeing any benefit



good that real estate is great, its still gonna cost you upfront. then those taxes on the property, etc

beds are expensive + all those nice sales taxes. tables, dressers, chairs, etc. it all adds up

internet is comparable, but it still adds in. food and clothing too (http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Denmark) - pretty much everything on there is more expensive than what i pay

 

[Reflexes]

if all my responses are typical right winged, than yours are all super far left. and not true

petty theft is not something that goes or stays on a record that a job would see

there are viable jobs in their vicinity. whats wrong with working in a gun store, liquor store, convenience store, fast food restaurant or the like. and you dont need prior job experience for that. or what about vocational training or apprenticing...other than the fact they dont want to

education level is lower, but so is their will to go in the first place which is the fundamental problem

your claim of "tens times" as much violence and such is unfounded and most likely wrong. real gangs have expanded out of cities, and even w/o that there are still other sources of violence, crime, and gangs in the suburbs. oh and just as much drug use, its just less obvious





public schools are already funded by taxes sooooooooooooo. but that doesnt matter since youre going to be done anyways, so it would only benefit your children, and slightly at that. healthcare sounds nice but you only get your moneys worth if you are prone to sickness or injury, meanwhile all your hard earned money is going to those types of people instead of being more useful to you ie saving all of your money and only using it when needed vs losing all of it and not necessarily seeing any benefit



good that real estate is great, its still gonna cost you upfront. then those taxes on the property, etc

beds are expensive + all those nice sales taxes. tables, dressers, chairs, etc. it all adds up

internet is comparable, but it still adds in. food and clothing too (http://www.numbeo.co...country=Denmark) - pretty much everything on there is more expensive than what i pay

They're not untrue, theft can show on your record(maybe after a certain amount of time, it will go away) The jobs you mention don't have any actual openings, and are usually ran by people outside of said neighborhood.

 

[Falkor]

um those jobs certainly have openings, especially places like restaurants (esp of the fast food variety)...and who cares if they're ran by people outside of said neighborhood? a job is a job.....



stealing food would be a misdemeanor, not a felony. meaning you wouldnt have to disclose it on a job application and if you were under 18 when it happened it would most likely be expunged or sealed. and you could always explain the circumstances of the theft during an interview, which would make you come off as more trustworthy for admitting it, and they would see why it was done.

 

[Reflexes]

um those jobs certainly have openings, especially places like restaurants (esp of the fast food variety)...and who cares if they're ran by people outside of said neighborhood? a job is a job.....



stealing food would be a misdemeanor, not a felony. meaning you wouldnt have to disclose it on a job application and if you were under 18 when it happened it would most likely be expunged or sealed. and you could always explain the circumstances of the theft during an interview, which would make you come off as more trustworthy for admitting it, and they would see why it was done.

That may work in magical fairy land, but the truth is you're not likely to get the job at that point. At least not over someone with a clean record, or a more impressive resume. They really DON'T have any openings. Often times the fast food establishments you're referring to don't have a lot of employment opportunities. When they do the 1-3 restaurants scattered throughout the area fixes this problem how exactly? Oh, when I say "Ran by people outside of the neighborhood" I'm implying a lot of these liquor stores, or corner shops, they're family ran. Either that or they don't need help running the store, therefore there aren't any employment opportunities. I mean if you can straight face me and tell me that these people have every opportunity that suburban folk have, then I don't know what to tell you. Do some research, I'm confident you'll see things in a different light.

 

[Falkor]

a more impressive resume, lol. for a ground floor mcdonalds job. or working at a car wash/gas station or another retail store. thats stupid. and theyd have the same openings as the stores in the suburbs would

and it wouldnt be on your record nor would you have to disclose it, so it doesnt matter

 

[Reflexes]

a more impressive resume, lol. for a ground floor mcdonalds job. or working at a car wash/gas station or another retail store. thats stupid. and theyd have the same openings as the stores in the suburbs would

and it wouldnt be on your record nor would you have to disclose it, so it doesnt matter

The current state of the economy you mentioned, you know the one that has forty year olds with degrees working at wendys? Yeah, it's been like that for years in the areas I speak about. They don't have as much income, they don't receive as much traffic, they don't need as many employees. You do realize restaurants in these areas, even franchises often go under correct? I honestly don't think you've had the pleasure of viewing one of these areas, so I'll just assume a general ignorance on your part. At least for this topic :3

 

[Bankbeauty]

I'll be answering to you both, as a student in politics, this is pretty much the thing that interest me the most.



To begin with, I'm a rightist. But I'm a rightist living in a centralized right country.. Canada.

As both of you brang some good arguments, here's what I think. Basically, when you talk about politics, there's no good or wrong. There could be a good or wrong if we, basically, could experiment it (Like in science or Mathematics), when it comes to human science, there's no good or wrong, just opinion.



That said, both side have their good and bad. For a Leftist, they would say that right-wing, is all about getting richer and leaving the poor. Which isn't wrong. We, right-winged people, don't want to get over-taxed. We believe in merit, we believe that you get what you work for. If you can't get yourself some insurance, why should I pay for you? For a Rightist, they would say that left is all about over-taxing and all about helping the poorer by over-taxing the richer. Which isn't wrong too. Left as this idea that we can't leave anyone behind and that it's our business to keep everyone alive and well-alive. Leftist don't think it make sense that 98% of the global economic (In Industrial country(Such as Usa or Canada)) is owned by less then 3% of the population.



Both side make sense. Both doesn't.



I'm a rightist, because I personally believe that, each of us should merit what we get. We shouldn't be able to say, well, I'll get help from government. Hell, yes it cost me shit tons to go to school, but atleast, when I'll achieve it, I'll be able to say that I did it all by myself, not with the help of the government.



Anyway, this is totaly out of context, I did laugh at many of those comments, so thanks guy.





Btw.. This guy probably got some STD, just sayin'.