Haste Cap for Resto/Boomkin

[Zedqt]

I've seen a few people say that you can get 1.3s and even 1.2s cast times, but what are the breakpoints for these? I went from 8% to 12% haste on Boomkin and still get 1.4s casts and I feel like I'm going to start losing a lot of versatility if I keep trying to push it higher. I already have to use Green Lens with 8h10v over Master Engi goggles (which I would like to use for resto because all that vers and stam is nice for survivability).

Is my addon just broken or have I really not hit a cap with over a 4% increase? I'm using quartz btw

 

[ohti]

1.3 on tooltip bur your gcd will continue to lower with more haste.

but what are the breakpoints for these?

Not sure how much it would differ but on priest I don't get 1.3 until about 21% haste.

I already have to use Green Lens with 8h10v over Master Engi goggles (which I would like to use for resto because all that vers and stam is nice for survivability).

Green lens is better all around for resto and 27 int goggles for boomy, should use master's engi for FCing.

 

[Zedqt]

Thanks for the info. So it changes on the tooltip but not on the cast bar itself?

 

[Hashbrowns]

To get a 1.5 sec cast to 1.3 its 48 haste rating, in BG.
To get 1.2 is like 22% i think, maybe more.

There are no caps, other than gcd which i dont believe can be below 1 sec.

You are always improving your cast time, what you see is rounding but not actual cast. But if you want that number to say 1.3 its 48 rating.

Get dejacharacter stats, you can edit the file to show 3 digits (1.xxx) if you are careful, which i believe is what blizz rounds to, not what is shown (1.x).

Gear to 48 rating, then put the rest into vers is going to be best imo.

 

[ohti]

To get 1.2 is like 22% i think, maybe more.

Not sure 1.2 is possible. 21% is when I hit 1.3.

 

[Hashbrowns]

Not sure 1.2 is possible. 21% is when I hit 1.3.

1.3 for a 1.5 spell is 15.38% haste

25% is 1.2

 

[ohti]

1.3 for a 1.5 spell is 15.38% haste
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Is this for high levels or something? I know for a fact that I don't reach 1.3 until 21% haste on my priest. My old holy set was built around that.

I've built past 30% haste and have never seen the tooltip go down to 1.2 (not using Deja.)

 

[Hashbrowns]

Is this for high levels or something? I know for a fact that I don't reach 1.3 until 21% haste on my priest. My old holy set was built around that.

I've built past 30% haste and have never seen the tooltip go down to 1.2 (not using Deja.)

No, I sit at 1.3 with this setup.
[doublepost=1596809664,1596809578][/doublepost]@Zedqt so 25% for a 1.2 sec cast, to reach these numbers you have to start going pure haste over int (like rings/neck). It's not something you want to do. 1.3 is possible, you need a ton of gear to min/max from.

 

[ohti]

No, I sit at 1.3 with this setup.

Interesting, I'll have to take a look over when I get home.

Still pretty sure 1.2 isn't possible. @tence sits at 25% haste and I'm pretty sure he's still at 1.3.

 

[tence]

Interesting, I'll have to take a look over when I get home.

Still pretty sure 1.2 isn't possible. @tence sits at 25% haste and I'm pretty sure he's still at 1.3.

This is correct. Gotta remember once you enter a bg it scales you to a 29 and they require more secondary stats to get the same result. The 1.2 hes referring to is probably outside of bgs.

 

[zazzyfraz]

i probably have the best haste sets of any non OG twinks. though im missing 2 haste pts on druid helm+ no bfd haste neck, and 2 haste pts on mage gloves


when the queues arent so long ill hop in and check at 29


@op haste reduces your spells cast time always. only the tooltip amount is rounded. get the cast bar addon Quartz

 

[Hashbrowns]

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i probably have the best haste sets of any non OG twinks. though im missing 2 haste pts on druid helm+ no bfd haste neck, and 2 haste pts on mage gloves


when the queues arent so long ill hop in and check at 29


@op haste reduces your spells cast time always. only the tooltip amount is rounded. get the cast bar addon Quartz

Jesus, I wouldn't want to vs that mage lol Do you find that set to be worth it over a more balanced one or nah?

 

[ohti]

Jesus, I wouldn't want to vs that mage lol Do you find that set to be worth it over a more balanced one or nah?

A mage with 166 int? Not very scary, wouldn't be worth stacking that much haste in regular play.

 

[zazzyfraz]

Jesus, I wouldn't want to vs that mage lol Do you find that set to be worth it over a more balanced one or nah?

It has extremely short arcane blasts and polys, damage is only 110 per missile, 480 blast. 1.9k hp. It’s worth sometimes. You can catch some heals like a mw off guard with 2 blasts while they are healing someone else. You rely on clearcast to beat high int mages in cowboy missiles standoffs

 

[rockworldofwarcraft]

Haste is never the right choice ... it's just the same as it was at 29... primary stat glass cannon has always been best. Less so on the toons where glass cannon does not matter because they suck ass.

Haste also has a psychological effect because it "looks" like you are doing things faster, but you are doing way less overall. Play a Ret with ZERO haste and all verse... then go to 30% haste... it makes the zero haste RET feel like you have concrete shoes on... but you are actually doing more.

I only ever had success at 29 with a RET with 34% haste (I think it was) because ART of WAR let you do crazy shit if you got lucky... but at 20 you don't have that as a gap filler so its kind of brizzals.

 

[ohti]

Play a Ret with ZERO haste and all verse... then go to 30% haste... it makes the zero haste RET feel like you have concrete shoes on... but you are actually doing more.

 

[rockworldofwarcraft]

Its the point that Haste is not good as your "primary" over stats.

 

[ohti]

Its the point that Haste is not good as your "primary" over stats.

Stam > vers = haste > str as ret.

(Stam > vers = crit > str in 1v1s and arenas.)

 

[rockworldofwarcraft]

Stam > vers = haste > str as ret.

I mean, 30% haste means you have about 120 str and are rocking the min hp and using the opposite of BiS items (I mean you are using heirloom haste trinkets, not using eng goggles, not using the pacifier, etc). With out Art of War this sucks ass.

If you are just going stat primary then eng goggles then then pacifier then gear... you are not even close to even 20% haste, you are just basically playing a verse set with some haste randomly thrown in, that was not the point. I would not call this much to do with haste.

 

[ohti]

I mean, 30% haste means you have about 120 str and are rocking the min hp (not great at all). With out Art of War this sucks ass.

Wont wont even break 20% in instanced PvP haste in an aurora set... 120 str would be legitimately fine bc wep swapping sader is busted. How is stam > all min hp? That's quite literally max hp?

If you are just going stat primary then eng goggles then then pacifier then gear... you are not even close to even 20% haste, you are just basically playing a verse set with some haste randomly thrown in, that was not the point. I would not call this much to do with haste.

Haste = faster off heals (which you're great at because you have the fastest mana regen of any DPS in the bracket.)
Haste = faster hits.
Haste = more zeal.
Haste = more sader procs.

Pure vers would be more of an arena set, or as I like to call it, the selfish yet seemingly less effective ret for BGs. Aurora rets do far more for the rest of their team than qb or vers rets do.