Future Priest Healer

Kore nametooshort said:
30 healing per tick is huge, how can you not love it? Its a great boost to you renew, which is probably your most mana efficient spell. 30 more per tick effectively reduces further dps on that target by 10 which is a pretty impressive amount. Another good thing abit it is the reliability of it. 4% more crit means you get bigger heals from time to time, whereas 30 more per tick is guarenteed. Being able to rely on your heals doing a certain amount means you wont end up overhealing and that you wont get caught out so easily. Also 4% crit only affects your direct cast heal, not renew. You should be casting renew more often than you cast heal imo and the benefit from imp renew is far greater than 4% crit.



He meant 30 health throughout the course of a renew.
 
Scadoosh said:
Ok mr. pro priest, you think imp renew is giving only 30 more HP--and I'm the idiot?? You better think before you throw out insults, or you end up looking like a fool. You misspelled "idiot" twice with two different spellings, so you're not helping yourself out, pal.



Renew (rank 2) heals for 100 HP if you have no +Healing. You do have some +healing, don't you? I hope so. I ran some WSGs last night, and there was a priest whose renews were ticking for 108-109 HP. That ends up healing for around 550 HP with a single renew.



If you get imp renew and the renew glyph, your renews will be will be pretty damn good. What will 3% increase to crit give you.. a total of 7.48% to crit? GG. That glyph of Dispell will only heal someone with 1k health for 30 HP, or someone with 1.5k for 45 health. That's worthless.



Imp renew is better than the 4 crit but dont be so hastey on the glyph of renew, renew will be dispelled but you can spam dispel. For healing an fc with focus fire and enemy priest the dispel glyph is actually better. Plus you can kill to birds with one stone by removing enemy dot.
 
Kore nametooshort said:
my bad, need to polish up on my priest shizzle. I still consider it better than 4% crit.



I think he underexaggerated the difference his renews would do, but yeah regardless he still meant 30 health. Also Glyph of inner fire is where it's at.
 
Kore--

Throwed thought that imp renew would only increase a renew's heal by 30HP over the course of the whole HoT.

He didn't factor in +Healing. My point is that speccing into imp renew and getting the [ITEM]42411[/ITEM] is much better than 3% to crit and the [ITEM]42397[/ITEM].

With Imp renew and [ITEM]42411[/ITEM], your renew ticks will be around 80-110 each, depending on your +Heals.



Another thought: You can only cast Dispell on a friendly target that has a debuff. Thus, you cannot spam this to heal someone. You CAN apply renew to a whole group in WSG or to your teammates in an arena.



[ITEM]42397[/ITEM] is good for priests in shadowform (with much more health than 19s have) who cannot heal without dropping shadowform. At 19, this glyph sucks the big one.
 
Yeah that makes much more sense than what i thought i read earlier ^^ i need more caffene. If im reading it correctly this time then glyph of renew looks very tasty, especially since there are more purges floating about nowadays. A 30-60 heal from dispell seems particularly meh tbh, sure every little helps but the every little from glyph of renew will probably help more :)



/apologiseforbeingstupid

/agree
 
Scadoosh said:
Kore--

Throwed thought that imp renew would only increase a renew's heal by 30HP over the course of the whole HoT.

He didn't factor in +Healing. My point is that speccing into imp renew and getting the [ITEM]42411[/ITEM] is much better than 3% to crit the [ITEM]42397[/ITEM].

With Imp renew and [ITEM]42411[/ITEM], your renew ticks will be around 80-110 each, depending on your +Heals.



Another thought: You can only cast Dispell on a friendly target that has a debuff. Thus, you cannot spam this to heal someone. You CAN apply renew to a whole group in WSG or to your teammates in an arena.



[ITEM]42397[/ITEM] is good for priests in shadowform (with much more health than 19s have) who cannot heal without dropping shadowform. At 19, this glyph sucks the big one.



Inner fire #1 19 priest glyph

Pymius #1 priest



Glyph of renew is pretty bad, in arenas at least.
 
hmm, renew in arena = dispell = bad, therefore a little crappy granted, geif link to [item]glyph of inner fire[/item]



brb once ive looked at link :p



Hmm im not familiar with the amount of mitigation glyph of innerfire would give, is it closeish to 150 armour? what does that add up to? 4%ish?



fakeedit; im not disputing anythingbtw, i just dont like to be misinformed, especially by myself ^^
 
User said:
Imp renew is better than the 4 crit but dont be so hastey on the glyph of renew, renew will be dispelled but you can spam dispel. For healing an fc with focus fire and enemy priest the dispel glyph is actually better. Plus you can kill to birds with one stone by removing enemy dot.



Yeah renew tends to get dispelled very quickly. In my experience, a priest's time is better spent getting the heal off on the FC then spamming dispel. As far as I can tell, that 3% of maximum health is not affected by the priest's +Heal; it's a flat rate. So for a FC bear with 2k health, that's only 60 health in one GCD. You would get two of those off in 3 seconds, or you could cast Heal for 450ish.



Plus Throwed said "y would i play wsg if it sux?" I'm guessing Throwed just arenas, so for him, the FC with focus fire argument is out.
 
Kore nametooshort said:
hmm, renew in arena = dispell = bad, therefore a little crappy granted, geif link to [item]glyph of inner fire[/item]



brb once ive looked at link :p



Hmm im not familiar with the amount of mitigation glyph of innerfire would give, is it closeish to 150 armour? what does that add up to? 4%ish?



fakeedit; im not disputing anythingbtw, i just dont like to be misinformed, especially by myself ^^



Well I have 31%+ migration with it on and a 70a cloak enchant(905-909 armor), it's about 4% migration and 150-160 additional armor.
 
Scadoosh said:
Kore--

Throwed thought that imp renew would only increase a renew's heal by 30HP over the course of the whole HoT.

He didn't factor in +Healing. My point is that speccing into imp renew and getting the [ITEM]42411[/ITEM] is much better than 3% to crit and the [ITEM]42397[/ITEM].

With Imp renew and [ITEM]42411[/ITEM], your renew ticks will be around 80-110 each, depending on your +Heals.



Another thought: You can only cast Dispell on a friendly target that has a debuff. Thus, you cannot spam this to heal someone. You CAN apply renew to a whole group in WSG or to your teammates in an arena.



[ITEM]42397[/ITEM] is good for priests in shadowform (with much more health than 19s have) who cannot heal without dropping shadowform. At 19, this glyph sucks the big one.



no sorry, i did factor in the +healing. with 122 sp my renews tick for around 50 each

50x5 = 250 total heal from the renew

do you understand what the talent is? 15% of 250 is 37, its not 37 per tick.

how is 3% crit not better than an extra 37 on my renew



another thought, i dont play wsg on my priest





edit: o ya and with glyph of renew and imp renew my renew would heal for around 280 in total. again only 30 more from an unimproved unglyphed renew. y would i take that over 3% crit n a constant 60 or so heal that im always spamming xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
 
Throwed said:
no sorry, i did factor in the +healing. with 122 sp my renews tick for around 50 each

50x5 = 250 total heal from the renew

do you understand what the talent is? 15% of 250 is 37, its not 37 per tick.

how is 3% crit not better than an extra 37 on my renew



another thought, i dont play wsg on my priest



It would be doing 64 a tick so 320 in total, so umm you're losing 70 healing from each renew.
 
Pymius said:
It would be doing 64 a tick so 320 in total, so umm you're losing 70 healing from each renew.



50 per tic



5 total tics



50x5 = 250



250/15% = 37.5



250+37.5 = 287.5



with glyph of renew (you lose the last tic in it)



287.5/4 = 72



72x4 = 288





so schaos y r u thinkin the glyf maks renew heal mor
 
Throwed said:
50 per tic



5 total tics



50x5 = 250



250/15% = 37.5



250+37.5 = 287.5



with glyph of renew (you lose the last tic in it)



287.5/4 = 72



72x4 = 288



I just put on 122 sp on ptr and with 3/3 in renew it heals for 320(64 per tick, 5 ticks), with the glyph of renew it would still be 320, but 80 per tick, for 4 ticks.
 
Pymius said:
I just put on 122 sp on ptr and with 3/3 in renew it heals for 320(64 per tick, 5 ticks), with the glyph of renew it would still be 320, but 80 per tick, for 4 ticks.



dam mailstmr i made up the initil amount it tiks for cuz i was 2 lazy to log on n respc i gues it was a bit les than i suspectd :D scaos tel me how y an extra 70 wen i can gt 3% crit n a 70 heal evrytim they put a dispelebl debuf (which is every 1 sec) n tht heal cant b purjed or dispeled?????????????????????????????????????????????????????
 

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