FTP Feral Viable??
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Billyballo
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For FTP you mean pure f2p, linked f2p or vet? it changes how easily you can acquire some gear (or if you can get it at all)
In my personal opinion, feral really can get crazy damage and heals with the scaling of weapon damage (bramble staff with superior impact and dense sharpening stones).
The burst spec (mastery/crit or mastery/vers, bite talent, bite pvp talent or bear+100%regrowth crit pvp talent) with the socket ilvl 28 greens has HUGE burst, but in bgs has big problems in this hunter meta to get combo points in melee. I can't give you numbers because I don't have socketed ilvl 28.
The support spec (full agi/vers, moonfire talent, bear+100%regrowth crit pvp talent, circle of flame for mana regen) doesn't have good burst (I'm assuming TBC socket gear here) because it lacks mastery, but has HUGE heals (1,4k regrowth), very good dots (moonfire it's 100 direct damage and 700 dot, rake about 600 dot), being less in melee it's easier to land roots without being interrupted or focused, and while bite hits for (far) less you literally swim in combo points so it's far easier to drop combat, stealth and go focus the back line (tauren stomp or bullrush back to assert cow dominance).
I would suggest it only (and you seem on the right track) if you like to play it like a true hybrid and not as pure dps.
With good gear, I find feral a very good spec for solo pugging, given how versatile it is (given healer scarcity, circle of flame with regrowth talent it's fckton of healing, with elixir of sages even more).
Whatever you do, please never take the rake talent
In my personal opinion, feral really can get crazy damage and heals with the scaling of weapon damage (bramble staff with superior impact and dense sharpening stones).
The burst spec (mastery/crit or mastery/vers, bite talent, bite pvp talent or bear+100%regrowth crit pvp talent) with the socket ilvl 28 greens has HUGE burst, but in bgs has big problems in this hunter meta to get combo points in melee. I can't give you numbers because I don't have socketed ilvl 28.
The support spec (full agi/vers, moonfire talent, bear+100%regrowth crit pvp talent, circle of flame for mana regen) doesn't have good burst (I'm assuming TBC socket gear here) because it lacks mastery, but has HUGE heals (1,4k regrowth), very good dots (moonfire it's 100 direct damage and 700 dot, rake about 600 dot), being less in melee it's easier to land roots without being interrupted or focused, and while bite hits for (far) less you literally swim in combo points so it's far easier to drop combat, stealth and go focus the back line (tauren stomp or bullrush back to assert cow dominance).
I would suggest it only (and you seem on the right track) if you like to play it like a true hybrid and not as pure dps.
With good gear, I find feral a very good spec for solo pugging, given how versatile it is (given healer scarcity, circle of flame with regrowth talent it's fckton of healing, with elixir of sages even more).
Whatever you do, please never take the rake talent
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Sarmlery
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Thanks for the information, I greatly appreciate!
Newaccount
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you could also go full agi and get bramble staff w superior impact, big bleeds while also hitting around 1.2,2.1k bites somewhat consistently. you can get good bites cuz of superior impact carrying you on the back like in bfa while having 1k heals w moonfire talent for maximum annoyance output.
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Sarmlery
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Thank you!!
Kakakaka
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Pretty much everything given is correct; as mentioned, ferals do have a hard time playing hard melee against hunters. Generally players will take Lunar Inspiration over Sabertooth to help get more bites & ranged damage; this has actually been the 'meta' for ferals in 19s/20s since legion since you don't really lose much bite damage and become a lot more versatile. This expac, peerless (mast+crit) is the general consensus on how to gear feral for the biggest dam.
But yes, ferals are great. Their DPS is actually similar to surv hunter, with higher burst- it's just they lack the monstrous toolkit that hunter has. Fun spec.
Regarding arena: I'm not an arena-godx, but from what I know feral is good but not meta in arena. Definitely a big pwner in BGs, though. Also, for duels, feral is really good. It can 1v1 most specs/classes atm just because of how high their numbers are. The weapon enchant, if you don't know already, is 'Enchant 2H Weapon - Superior Impact'. Its tooltip will say +3 weapon damage, and there is a 1h weapon enchant with a +4 tooltip, but this enchant is just better because it's a 2h enchant (no proper explanation; probably has to do with a 2h enchant applying to both slots, despite there only being one weapon equipped).
But yes, ferals are great. Their DPS is actually similar to surv hunter, with higher burst- it's just they lack the monstrous toolkit that hunter has. Fun spec.
Regarding arena: I'm not an arena-godx, but from what I know feral is good but not meta in arena. Definitely a big pwner in BGs, though. Also, for duels, feral is really good. It can 1v1 most specs/classes atm just because of how high their numbers are. The weapon enchant, if you don't know already, is 'Enchant 2H Weapon - Superior Impact'. Its tooltip will say +3 weapon damage, and there is a 1h weapon enchant with a +4 tooltip, but this enchant is just better because it's a 2h enchant (no proper explanation; probably has to do with a 2h enchant applying to both slots, despite there only being one weapon equipped).
Cleatuss
Royal Member
yes - extremely high skill cap class with the ability to be god solo tier
selkit
Legend
so i play survival hunter. I don't use bramble or itemlvl49 artifact and this whining about hunter dmg is insane considering most sperent sting tooltips even with bramble is less than what i see posted here for moonfire.
Those bite numbers also look like full glass cannon aimed shot numbers.
You can full heal....as a dps classs???
What am i missing.......Most hunters are running garbage full glass builds anyway a 2.1k bite would like kill them
Those bite numbers also look like full glass cannon aimed shot numbers.
You can full heal....as a dps classs???
What am i missing.......Most hunters are running garbage full glass builds anyway a 2.1k bite would like kill them
Goesid
Twink Info Legend
Hunter has just about every cd in their toolkit available at 20, other classes do not. MM is more powerful than surv but surv is more fotm because it caters more to the brain damaged.
Radoon
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As it has been stated everywhere around this forum, problem is not bramble staff, problem itself is on the kit.. You just have to compare SV kit with any other class and then you understand it..
Margooya
Grandfathered
@selkit As was said, Bramble staff isnt the the main problem, Survivals just have a crazy bloated kit compared to any other spec. But add to that Bramble, and they get crazy damage too.
I gotta say, dont take any of the critic on Surv to heart. I could rant all day about Surv hunters at 20, but I rant about the lack of balance, not the players. I assume most people's ire is the same (I'd assume), directed at a lack of any semblance of balance.
Enjoy the class you like to play my man, and dont worry too much about the rest.
I gotta say, dont take any of the critic on Surv to heart. I could rant all day about Surv hunters at 20, but I rant about the lack of balance, not the players. I assume most people's ire is the same (I'd assume), directed at a lack of any semblance of balance.
Enjoy the class you like to play my man, and dont worry too much about the rest.
elbretto
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I play a f2p feral druid - no ilvl 28 greens - built around consistent big ferocious bite crits (easy to get around 40% crit with BC dungeon gear and 2agi/2crit gems, with bites critting well above 2k).
It's heaps of fun, but very niche. The burst is pretty crazy, and with stealth, so it's amazing for dropping EFCs or clothies/healers on their back lines. But if you're caught it of stealth, or don't kill your target in the initial burst, you're pretty much dead.
Everything Billybalo said is spot on and pretty much sums up my experience with feral too.
Personally I prefer the burst build, and I just play in the shadows and accept that I'll never beat a hunter twink or top the charts. But I've seen some ferals with the more versatile builds shine on the front lines.
It's heaps of fun, but very niche. The burst is pretty crazy, and with stealth, so it's amazing for dropping EFCs or clothies/healers on their back lines. But if you're caught it of stealth, or don't kill your target in the initial burst, you're pretty much dead.
Everything Billybalo said is spot on and pretty much sums up my experience with feral too.
Personally I prefer the burst build, and I just play in the shadows and accept that I'll never beat a hunter twink or top the charts. But I've seen some ferals with the more versatile builds shine on the front lines.
I will just leave this here