Finally changing classes, and a confession... (Rogue)

Personally I use ESF with S and F bound to strafing, and i can back strafe like a boss. The distance from the modifier keys dont bother me as much as they do at 85, as 20's have much less abilities to use.
 
There's a difference between backstrafing, and standing still on the spot and strafing left and right a couple yards as the rogue is doing in the video. That's what I was refering to when I said strafing is useless. Watch the video. It's the same as keyboard turners that stand completely still but spam the jump button, as if that somehow negates their keyboard turning.
 
Well, my mouse has, like, 14 bindable keys on it so my left hand shouldn't be doing anything but moving... and typing 'kek' every once in a while.

I'm rolling a rogue with the full intention of using my abilities to help the team as best I can, not roflstomp people into the ground and /flex. lol.

I want to sap/interrupt healers to allow the other people on my team to kill things easier. Also, I want to know what it's like to be the guy in the EFC room, counting down to the double-rogue/druid zerg... w00t w00t!

Also, I know when I am playing my priest, alot of rogues sap me, and then wait till it's over and then open on me, which is stupid because I'm ready with my trink/bubble. Rogues that open on me outta nowhere are the ones that usually get me.
 
Preeztess said:
If I'm constantly holding the two mouse buttons down to run forward, how do I target people?

Also, it helps that I have this mouse:

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well, i use the mouse to move. its just a wireless mouse with left click, right click, and scroller. whenever i target someone i jump then click on their name plate thing. there could be a better way, but this is just the way i use.
 
The best way to maneuver around is to both use WASD and the mouse. I use them both at the same time a lot, this gives you by far the best camera flexibility and makes circular movements really easy.

I bind all my vital keys to 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, Q, R, T, F, Z, X, C and Tab. When I need to press an ability I take my fingers off WASD and hit the button I need to while still moving with the mouse. Also when I need to target somebody I simply let off the mouse movement and continue to move forward with WASD.

However the most important part of using this type of movement is jumping, jumping effectively lets your momentum carry you while you can target someone and quickly hit an ability. For example on my warrior I often jump, click my target and hit charge before I even hit the ground.

Try using both, it is difficult to change habits but it is the best way to move around. I know it can be difficult, I'm trying to get use to League of Legends camera movement myself and always go back to my old ways.
 
Aradiel said:
There's a difference between backstrafing, and standing still on the spot and strafing left and right a couple yards as the rogue is doing in the video. That's what I was refering to when I said strafing is useless. Watch the video. It's the same as keyboard turners that stand completely still but spam the jump button, as if that somehow negates their keyboard turning.
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Strafing is a necessity to backstrafing. You are kinda contradicting your post.
 
I'm no expert but in a team setting, which WSG is, backstrafing shouldn't matter as much as say, getting behind someone and stabbing them in back so you don't lose DPS. But that's just my opinion. I know everyone likes to be all fancy pantsy with 'backstrafing' and 'keybinds' and other nifty stuff but sometimes the simplest approach is better. Focusing on your damage when you have a healer is more important then trying to dodge stuff imo and if you're playing WSG you should always have a healer nearby.

Am I saying that stuff is bad? No but I know some people get so caught up in that they forget their job or most of all, the game gets to be too serious and they don't enjoy it anymore. Number one reason I still key-turn? Cause I'm afraid I'll turn into you people "I am sooo boss at strafing, bro", "no, bro, I am #1 rogue", "THIS IS SOO UNFAIR, TOO MANY HUNTARDS!!1", etc. When you take the game too seriously, you start to whine and excuse every loss or death, and you start to annoy the living hell out of me D:<

Preeztess, I suggest just playing :) Focus on doing damage and try your best to stay behind your opponent. Maybe try unbinding your keys while you level your rogue (if you haven't leveled them yet) and just try to have fun :D If it stops being fun then it becomes work and no one likes work >:eek:

You might also find my arknemsis' Arknoodle's PvP guide helpful, that can be found here. With such gems as:

So now you're asking 'Well mister arknoodle sir um how do I click my powers if im using my mouse to turn all the time?'
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I miss Ark :(

tl;dr? I AM AWESOME.
 
just re-map your keybinds to a new setup that lets you do the following:

strafing
turning with mouse
easy targeting
easy setting someone to focus
easy and comfortable reaching many keys

just use logic and think of a setup that is ideal. Everyone has a different setup. Finally practice practice practice, I suggest fighting target dummies although you wont get to actually hit it. Just keep practicing till you can almost dance around the dummies and jump around them while spamming your abilities with ease. That should reformat your muscle memory in a couple of weeks or days. You know you reached this point when you dont even look or think of where your keys are spatially. I know it took me over months before I could do all of that.
 
Hit level 10, have 6 arena trinkets so far, and played my first WSG.

I'm trying to be the king of sap, I just want to be the guy that saps the healer and does all the right things. Oh, and in a few levels kick the healer too.

I am the king of bad rogues right now, but I like sapping people. ;)
 
Here's my list of keybinds and macros that I use in the video. I try to keep my action bar as clean as possible, without losing any functionality. W/A/D are my movement keys. There's really no need to ever use the backwards directional key, unless you're doing jumps i suppose.

If you have any questions about the macro's feel free to ask.


Non Stealthed
=====================

Mousewheel Down = Backstab
PHP: 
#show [stance:0] Backstab; Ambush
/cast stealth
/startattack [combat]
/cast [stance:0] Backstab; Ambush


Mousewheel Up = Gouge
PHP: 
#show Gouge
/cast [mod:shift, @focus] Gouge
/cast [nomod] Gouge


Middle Mouse Button = Throw
PHP: 
#show throw
/cast [mod:shift, @focus] throw
/cast [nomod] throw


Mouse Button Three = Target Enemy


Mouse Button Four = Eviscerate/Recupurate
PHP: 
#show  [mod:shift] Recuperate; Eviscerate
/cast [mod:shift] Recuperate; Eviscerate


Q = Sprint


E = Lifeblood


S = Shadowstep
PHP: 
#show shadowstep
/castsequence [mod:SHIFT, @focus] reset=24 Shadowstep, Kick
/cast [nomod] shadowstep


F= Kick
PHP: 
#show kick
/cast [@focus, mod:SHIFT][@target, nomod] kick


V= Insignia Trinket


X = Focus
PHP: 
/clearfocus
/focus [@mouseover,nodead,exists]; [@target,exists]


C= Mount



Stealthed
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Mousewheel Down = Ambush


Mousewheel Up = Sap
PHP: 
#show Sap
/cleartarget
/targetenemyplayer
/cast [mod:shift, @focus] sap; sap


Middle Mouse Button = Throw
PHP: 
#show throw
/cast [mod:shift, @focus] throw
/cast [nomod] throw


Mouse Button Three = Target Enemy


Mouse Button Four = Unbound


Q = Sprint


E = Lifeblood


S = Shadowstep
PHP: 
#show shadowstep
/castsequence [mod:SHIFT, @focus] reset=24 Shadowstep, Kick
/cast [nomod] shadowstep


F = Unbound


V = Unbound


X = Focus
PHP: 
/clearfocus
/focus [@mouseover,nodead,exists]; [@target,exists]


C= Mount
 
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We're opposites! I've played rogue and I'm now trying priest. I think your biggest challenge is just the constant movement rogue naturally is. I find it frustrating that as priest, I can't move or I interrupt myself. But I agree with Rhaellia that just being behind your opponent for that first crucial ambush/backstab is most important. There's plenty of damage that can be done by choosing your victims carefully and using the element of surprise. My personal favorites are hunters. ;) Sure, rogues are not an "op" class, but they're pure crazy fun bastards.
 
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The thing I find frustrating is that if I get them low, and they get 5 feet distance on me, I can't finish them off, lol. Although I did kill a hunter today with my throwing knives. He had 10 HP and I threw it at him and he died, lol.
 
Watched video, didn't read thread other than the OP. I think I'm gonna play some f2p today.

also use wad movement but my 250 ms prevents super epicness (at least that's my excuse)
 
Yeah, I use AWSD and QE strafe still with naga and more then enuff binds to do what I need to do. Then you just use the movement keys with holding right mouse click and you can turn and go anywhere! Good luck though :D
 
There is a amazing satisfaction to hear the "TING" of a parry while crossing mid backstrafing.
 
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