Fearthebuns Stream: Ursinites

[KeviKev]

That game was frustrating to watch. Both sides were just extremely lost in general.


-The one true King.

No one will play flawless when you play together after not playing with each other for awhile. We needed the practice. Mistakes were made and we'll learn from them. Are you still taking your sweet time, getting your team together to play us Agonist?

 

[Kibbies]

No one will play flawless when you play together after not playing with each other for awhile. We needed the practice. Mistakes were made and we'll learn from them. Are you still taking your sweet time, getting your team together to play us Agonist?

The king cant waste his time playing with f2peasants.. xD

 

[KeviKev]

The king cant waste his time playing with f2peasants.. xD

Please... I don't see anything positive going on from the 19's bracket. Great self-proclaimed "King" right?

 

[Upswag]

19s is an incestuous cesspit of awful players having a dick measuring contest as a simulcrum of their true desires; namely, to see men's sexual appendages.

Edit: For the 19s who won't understand my comment: come out of the closet.

 

[Bop]

Is sticking together in mid and having prot warrior FC's just kind of like an unspoken agreement between 10v10s? If horde had one person on D and a druid FC they might've capped in 2 minutes

Just seems so scripted and one dimensional. I want to see more druid FC's running around bases.. EFC ganking squads.. FC protecting teams.. stuff like that. Not just "huge damage here". It's kind of like turning WoW into a turn-based RPG like final fantasy or something

There were a lot of good players on both sides of that game and they didn't have much room to show their creative skillsets or be put in situations that show what makes them great. Any 10 goons can use skype and focus fire. And none of yall are goons

If this is the only way 10v10s will ever be played and if you guys are a bunch of "you-can't-do-it-any-other-way-ers" then let's all just agree to max out at 5 mans. Like I said, you guys are great players and games like that just don't allow you to show much of your skills.. and honestly are kinda boring to watch too

In other words, http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f43/f2p-tournament-new-improved-register-here-56430/index5.html

Let's pugmade

Positional meta is essentially unbreakable.

You don't have people on defense because the enemy team hard collapses on your FC, forcing a fight. You then proceed to fight 10 v 10 minus defense.

Teamfights have to occur to decide the outcome of the game.

A team that is separated into multiple small factions all having their own separate goals gets destroyed by a team that has control of mid and is coordinated in focusing EFC and escorting their own FC.

Class role selection is almost entirely arbitrary.

The current rules and regulations which are in place by members of the 19 community enforce a 2 per class rule. Therefore, decisions must be made to create the best team comp. Since many in the 19 community consider a Restoration Druid and a Balance Druid to be a necessary part of any team, Guardian FCs often get left out in the mix.

Is it one dimensional? Perhaps

Are there artificial rules in place to help balance the bracket? Most certainly

Is it the best and most efficient use of strategy utilizing endgame meta theory? Perhaps unfortunately: Yes.

 

[Izac]

Positional meta is essentially unbreakable.

Thinking about this game in particular. Lets say you had a Gdruid FC, and you kept one of your hunters above your GY to track how many were going for the flag. If it were multiple people, he could catch up to the group or ask for one person to come as backup. But in this game he would've seen it was just a prot warrior and went and killed him. The other team would either have to send another 1-2 people for the flag or bring the entire team, if they were able to outrace the Gdruid

That one hunter would not have been important for your groups survival.. especially if your team was stacked with CC classes who were just trolling the other teams DPS and focusing on surviving rather than killing. But if you were worried about it just hold off on going for the flag so the mid fight would still be 9v9

But I believe that the moment a prot warrior can go solo grab the flag and meet up with his group is the moment that there becomes room for splitting teammates up

And thats another thing. Id like to see more healers, especially nowadays with battle fatigue. Make the game about CC coordination rather than focus fire.

There's options. There's a counter to every counter

 

[Upswag]

You underestimate how much damage and healing happens in a 10 v10 with 10 decent to very good players. One hunter, especially, would be very noticeable. That kind of burst is the difference between having to heal a lot and keeping everyone up vs having to let people die and res but keeping up important players. To put that in perspective,

Also, the reason you go prot warr, not guardian druid, is because most of the time you get to stacks. Guardian druids don't do as well when that happens because they bring zero damage to the table. The meta at this level is going to be based on stacks and maximizing damage, not crossing mid. (IE: I could solo any Guardian druid in this bracket on my hunter, if their GDruid decided to get the flag, I'd just peel out and solo him).

 

[Rapido]

Druids are fun FCs you can really show your skill by FCing on a druid, idk so much about prot warrs though ;/

 

[Izac]

One hunter, especially, would be very noticeable.

(IE: I could solo any Guardian druid in this bracket on my hunter, if their GDruid decided to get the flag, I'd just peel out and solo him).

No you're right. But that hunter could also have killed a prot warrior 1v1 pretty fast as well

My main point is I think a little redesign with basic 10s rules could make it more fun. Say we had 4 heals each side. My team would just grab the flag and kite/heal each other all the way to our base instead of fighting mid. If the other team followed (they wouldn't), we're in great position in our base. Both teams would need to regroup at their bases with the enemy team's flag, and then send some to the efc and keep some on D where there would be chasing, kiting, CCing, jumping around ToT etc fun stuff like that

TL;DR
We have more than just damage and healing spells in this bracket and our chars also have legs. Think we can make more opportunities to use those spells and use our legs

 

[Hunnybuns]

No you're right. But that hunter could also have killed a prot warrior 1v1 pretty fast as well

My main point is I think a little redesign with basic 10s rules could make it more fun. Say we had 4 heals each side. My team would just grab the flag and kite/heal each other all the way to our base instead of fighting mid. If the other team followed (they wouldn't), we're in great position in our base. Both teams would need to regroup at their bases with the enemy team's flag, and then send some to the efc and keep some on D where there would be chasing, kiting, CCing, jumping around ToT etc fun stuff like that

TL;DR
We have more than just damage and healing spells in this bracket and our chars also have legs. Think we can make more opportunities to use those spells and use our legs

We would love to have teams to play us! Grab a team and test out your strats!

 

[Izac]

We would love to have teams to play us! Grab a team and test out your strats!

You know what

I think you're on to something

 

[Solipsist]

I think Agonist should play f2ps and show all us lost kids how to play Wsg at its finest. Not saying the game wasn't sloppy, I'll admit definitely sloppy on Ursin's side as well but I wouldn't go as far as to say they were extremely lost.

Edit: Oh I think we should change the Browntown overextending charges to the Oldspike charge. all in favour?

You're frank Blurz so let me be frank. I don't need to roll a f2p in order to tell you that game is a mess like you don't need to be a 5star chef to tell me a meal is bad.

People have a misconception on the whole warrior charge scenario. Charging into the enemy team does more good than bad, but in reality no one really understands the simple premade conception. If a warrior charges into the enemy team it is similar to a seeing a naked chick flying at you. Everyone focuses their attention on the warrior and is blinded by everything else. This in turn gives the dps a perfect opportunity to play more offensive as they are not being focused.


Look to your sins Blurz, the night is dark and full of terrors.


-The one true King

 

[Blurz]

You're frank Blurz so let me be frank. I don't need to roll a f2p in order to tell you that game is a mess like you don't need to be a 5star chef to tell me a meal is bad.

People have a misconception on the whole warrior charge scenario. Charging into the enemy team does more good than bad, but in reality no one really understands the simple premade conception. If a warrior charges into the enemy team it is similar to a seeing a naked chick flying at you. Everyone focuses their attention on the warrior and is blinded by everything else. This in turn gives the dps a perfect opportunity to play more offensive as they are not being focused.


Look to your sins Blurz, the night is dark and full of terrors.


-The one true King

Yes I'm not retarded, I know that charging on overextended players is a good thing, however overextending yourself and charging for no apparent reason other than to put pressure on your team is pointless. Look what happened, their FC cost them a 3 cap, tbh if he didn't play like a retard it would of probably only ended 1-0 or 2-0 max so I'm not sure if you're trying to defend him or lost a portion of your head.

Edit: Oh and I didn't tell you to roll a f2p to tell us it was bad game, I told you to roll a f2p to 'show' us how pro players do it. Although I've heard you've been playing with a bunch of Rank 1 players recently ROFL

 

[Solipsist]

I'm not sure if you're trying to defend him or lost a portion of your head.

Look at yourself and read what I said. Now look at your quote here, what's the problem?

Edit: Oh and I didn't tell you to roll a f2p to tell us it was bad game, I told you to roll a f2p to 'show' us how pro players do it. Although I've heard you've been playing with a bunch of Rank 1 players recently ROFL

So you want me to roll a f2p because your Ursin group doesn't have simple awareness? You already said I'm ''pro'' so why do I need to prove myself?

I'm sure you hear alot things. I grieve for the fool you're becoming here.


-The one true King.

 

[Blurz]

So you want me to roll a f2p because your Ursin group doesn't have simple awareness? You already said I'm ''pro'' so why do I need to prove myself?

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Ok I really don't want to repeat myself, if you think you can beat our completely lost team you can go ahead and try.

p.s Do you do weekly tutorials on Wsg, I would like some lessons. In particular the difference between a completely lost team and a team that made minor mistakes would be great .

Look at yourself and read what I said. Now look at your quote here, what's the problem?.

umm? there isn't a problem, I was just wondering if you really think that Oldspike's charges were in his teams best interest. I thought you were being frank yet your talking about basic wsg strategies, pretty much everyone knows that a warrior charging in is like "seeing a naked chick flying at you".

Edit: I cant type/talk properly.

 

[Solipsist]

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Ok I really don't want to repeat myself, if you think you can beat our completely lost team you can go ahead and try.

What are you repeating?

p.s Do you do weekly tutorials on Wsg

I'm not really sure what you're meaning. A history lesson on WSG? The terrain in WSG?

I would like some lessons. In particular the difference between a completely lost team and a team that made minor mistakes would be great .

Please don't be like Bakked whom defends retarded shit. We saw how that went...

umm? there isn't a problem, I was just wondering if you really think that Oldspike's charges were in his teams best interest.

I'm talking about the misconception of warriors charging into teams not the opinion of Oldspike in that game. You know the answer to that yourself.

pretty much everyone knows that a warrior charging in is like "seeing a naked chick flying at you".

I'm sure everyone knew that, yes. I'm thinking you just don't want to be made out like an idiot. None of the bracket knows this ''simple wsg strategy'' as you call it. It's funny because i'm the one who told you about it when you thought the whole idea about warriors charging into teams was a joke. Stop acting ignorant. You know I'm right. You've played numerous premades and you're telling me in that game Ursin only made a few ''minor mistakes''? I know you feel obligated to defend your buddies but don't let that get in the way of proper judgement.

 

[Waterworks]

Got steamrolled pretty hard by an Ally team with four guys from Ursin earlier today, we had three 24s on Horde but they were all from Holy Crit who told me "don't cap so we can farm" in an earlier game, so they didn't make a difference in the end. Anyways, I would have been perfectly fine with a deserved trouncing if not for the fact I spotted some Ursinites camping the gy :/ Guess you weren't playing for a stream audience at the time.

 

[Blurz]

I'm talking about the misconception of warriors charging into teams not the opinion of Oldspike in that game. You know the answer to that yourself.

I'm sure everyone knew that, yes. I'm thinking you just don't want to be made out like an idiot. None of the bracket knows this ''simple wsg strategy'' as you call it. It's funny because i'm the one who told you about it when you thought the whole idea about warriors charging into teams was a joke. Stop acting ignorant. You know I'm right. You've played numerous premades and you're telling me in that game Ursin only made a few ''minor mistakes''? I know you feel obligated to defend your buddies but don't let that get in the way of proper judgement.

Ok.... first of all you shouldn't have quoted me when I talked about Oldspike's horrific charging because I just assumed you were talking about those specific charges. Second I never once said any sort of charging by a warrior in a premade is a joke lmao, I simply said that Oldspikes overextending charges were a joke, pls focus more when you read, it seems like you need to. I'm genuinely being real here I'm not being ignorant I think you're the one being ignorant. In my first comment I said that it was very sloppy by Ursin in particular and if some of the minor mistakes were executed such as not cutting off Bop/Oldspike at the start and not being quick enough on EFC in mid were done well it would of been a pretty decent game played game imo.

Agonist you also got to take into consideration that this isn't a premade, from the start of the game there wasn't any strategies involved. They all went out to have fun and to play whatever they felt was the best thing to do at the time and of course mistakes come out of it.

 

[Solipsist]

Ok.... first of all you shouldn't have quoted me when I talked about Oldspike's horrific charging because I just assumed you were talking about those specific charges

Exactly, I didn't even feel like replying. But I never thought you realized, seeing the nagging statement.

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Second I never once said any sort of charging by a warrior in a premade is a joke lmao, I simply said that Oldspikes overextending charges were a joke, pls focus more when you read, it seems like you need to

Blurz, you really need to think properly before you form an argument. I used past tense when I made the statement, meaning I talked to you about it before, meaning not in this thread. Don't petty me with half ass insults.

genuinely being real here I'm not being ignorant I think you're the one being ignorant

I would love an explanation on that.

Agonist you also got to take into consideration that this isn't a premade, from the start of the game there wasn't any strategies involved. They all went out to have fun and to play whatever they felt was the best thing to do at the time and of course mistakes come out of it.

Right all I said was this game was poorly played by both sides and you come charging in telling me to prove shit and blah blah blah. Sure I talked about the warrior charge scenario in premades but that was not related to the video specifically it was just my general opinion on the matter since people think its an ''idiotic'' thing to do.

 

[Blurz]

ok this is ridiculous, you're ignoring 75% of everything I say and it just seems like we're going round in circles lol.

Agonist Logic:
- Both sides were "completely horrible" but that changed for poorly played...
- Charging is good if utilized correctly (common knowledge) And apparently you told me about that 'sometime' in the past not in this thread lmao.

Blurz Logic:

- Ursin played Sloppy, but with a few minor mistakes which they could fix next time, they would of done a pretty good job.
- Agree's with agonist on charging (obviously) but disapproves of Oldspikes charging.

And we talked about a bunch of other useless shit that no1 really cares about. Agreed?