"F2P 19s aren't viable" - The math, statistics, and proof

[Mnkey]

Then u chose a invalid thread name. It should be *19 f2p druids arent viable, bla bla bla.*

 

[shanker]

I really don't think so. 22 int on weapon, 16 sp on gloves, resist to cloak, stam or spell power to bracers. +4 stats to chest too. 19s isn't 20-24. The disparity between enchants on a 24 against a f2p 20 is the same as a p2p 19 on a free 19. The only difference is the chance to miss. Or is it ok for my p2p 20 to have 15 agility on gloves and weapons too?



edit: i should preface this by saying the people who actually would grind out all that stuff wouldn't be that big of a problem. It's the ones that won't and will queue with 500 hp and ruin otherwise good games that would. And those far outnumber the ones who want to give it a go on TI.

disparity of a P2P24 with against a F2P20....is not the same as a P2P19 vs a F2P19.



19 vs 19 same spells, same abilities, same gear minus BOA helm, minus enchants

24 vs 20, 24 has extra talent points, extra spells, extra stats, and will have gear from quests and enchants a 20 can't get



24's pick up alot of abilities, take a look at feral spec druids. no F2P20 f-druid is gonna stand a chance on a P2P24 f-druid that will see you in stealth with ease, get the free opener, even if in trouble can switch to bear and throw a faerie fire that does 600+ damage on a 6 sec CD at that



http://thottbot.com/spell=5229

http://thottbot.com/spell=6785

http://thottbot.com/spell=80964

http://thottbot.com/spell=80965

http://thottbot.com/spell=16857 tool tip on damage is incorrect, way higher

http://thottbot.com/spell=2782

http://thottbot.com/spell=5217



quite a impressive amount of spells/abilities

 

[twinkeradin]

Im 19 becouse I would not gain anything from levelling to 20.



Maybe when Blizzard makes f2p be in their own bracket - this would mean even if we locked our exp at 19 we would have our own bracket - I would concider leveling up.

 

[Hardc0re]

Then u chose a invalid thread name. It should be *19 f2p druids arent viable, bla bla bla.*

It's already a victory over the ragers. I'll be playing a druid so, this is fine with me.

But I'm sure there are more viable classes.



When I p2p 19 twinked back in the day, you could use librams on the headgear and embroidees enchants on the legs (lots of stamina and AP/SP). I see that blizz removed that, wich means we f2p are even more viable than if it was BC/WotLK-time.

 

[random1]

F2P 19s are viable,this is the truth.You should all try 19s,you will be surprised how good it is compared to the 20-24 bracket.What can you lose?If you dont like it you can still level up but you cant go back from lv 20.

 

[Mnkey]

Wow so this is how 19s has all the f***ing baddies. F2PS WILL RUIN THIS BRACKET.60% of the clicking 800 HP noobs horde and ally are f2p are are frustrating when your team has 3 of them who arent doing anything helpful towards your team, and are only gathering deaths.

 

[Dcm]

F2P 19s are viable,this is the truth.You should all try 19s,you will be surprised how good it is compared to the 20-24 bracket.What can you lose?If you dont like it you can still level up but you cant go back from lv 20.

Saying F2P 19s are viable is like saying a 19 hunter isn't OP.



Instead of getting GY camped as a 700 HP noob by the 6 fotm classes that would usually be on the other team, I'd rather spend 15 minutes of my life to level to 20 and play in a bracket where 70% of the people are equally as geared.

 

[saxxon]

19s migrate to 24, 20s migrate to 19, win win.

endless cycle

 

[Hardc0re]

Saying F2P 19s are viable is like saying a 19 hunter isn't OP.



Instead of getting GY camped as a 700 HP noob by the 6 fotm classes that would usually be on the other team, I'd rather spend 15 minutes of my life to level to 20 and play in a bracket where 70% of the people are equally as geared.

Maybe if you took 2 minutes to understand the spreadsheet and read the OP, you would know that a FTP twink has about 250 HP less than a fully P2P Twink. Calling them "700HP noobs" is really stupid, since they are probably still gearing up, just like a P2P twink is not created with 1500 HP at the start.



The fact that they are noobs and don't help their team isn't also a factor of being F2P, since 80% of the twink population are P2P rogues with fiery enchants on dagger named "istabu", "ikillu", "ipwnu" clickers, keyboard-turners, so it's moronic to blame F2P as well for this.

 

[R Prime]

That's alot of BoAs for a F2P... and good luck getting the mindthrust and darkweave. It just doesn't seem like a realistic comparison.

 

[Mnkey]

Oh dont give me this *there gearing up* bulls***. You know as well as i they get to 700hp and stop. And its not even like they have BiS f2p gear. They are wearing grays and greens for god sakes. And btw 95% of the f2p ive seen in 19s click in keyturn so stfu ur argument is invalid bai.

 

[Hardc0re]

And 95% of the p2p twinks also click and keyturn.



I do not, I'm skilled, I'm a viable 19 twink. I still don't have the Bis but eventually I will.

Deal with it, I'm staying in this bracket you like it or not.

 

[Mnkey]

At least our 95% at least can pew pew better then f2p idiots. I just lost a game because we had 4f2p people with 600 HP. Go jump off a cliff and take the rest of f2p with u.

 

[thurghul]

At least our 95% at least can pew pew better then f2p idiots. I just lost a game because we had 4f2p people with 600 HP. Go jump off a cliff and take the rest of f2p with u.

I hate to break it to you, but if you ever read the Battleground forum on Blizzard (which is P2P btw), there are tons of paying customers crying about gear and BoA's and it being "unfair".



Being undergeared is not a F2P or P2P issue, its a laziness issue. Most people want everything for free with out doing the work.

 

[Mnkey]

Oh no but heres the beauty of it. At least undergeared people IN LEVELING BGs, are in LEVELING BGs. You are talking abt LEVELING BGs sir. Not TWINKING BGs. Although i do agree with the lazyness part but i notice it more out of f2p people then everyoine else, because there even more restricted to gear they can get.

 

[roudy]

all this guys rage makes me want to que 19's naked

 

[Orebrb]

I will painfully stomp any F2p 19 in my way, stay in your bracket kids

 

[Spryness]

If the 24s in 20-24 battlegrounds are P2P 19s raging on F2Ps, and I can beat most of them on my F2P 20 hunter wearing caster gear, I should be able to do the same to the P2P 19s as a 19 F2P hunter.



The assumption that all P2P twinks are professional players is overstated and wrong. No bracket is entirely populated by talent; only a select few are that good.

 

[Kearbear]

Question: I understand as the op suggests that at 19s f2p-ers will be disadvantaged (mostly by enchants) gear wise...



but most people seem to be pushing for lvl 20 play? Why would that be any better, it seems like the higher the level gets the farther behind f2p twinks would be as far as gear and other disadvantages.

 

[Hardc0re]

Question: I understand as the op suggests that at 19s f2p-ers will be disadvantaged (mostly by enchants) gear wise...



but most people seem to be pushing for lvl 20 play? Why would that be any better, it seems like the higher the level gets the farther behind f2p twinks would be as far as gear and other disadvantages.

Because in their dreams the 20-24 bracket would be populated only by 20 twinks, and not by 24 twinks as well. Just read all the QQ that's going on in this forum