European Mentaility

[Conq]

EU has the potential to revive their bracket, not only that but many of them have witnessed first hand what has happened on the US side of the bracket, so they have that knowledge to guide them in their revival.

 

[artonkn]

I haven't played 19s in 10 months, but let me see if I can nail this...

One side is doing badly, probs alliance [It's always alliance] so every decent player xfers/rerolls horde. Then expect the remaining alliance to Q 30+ mins for a 10min farm fest. Any half intelligent alli makes a rogue so they can avoid being farmed.

Am I close?

nah it's horde losing usually

 

[Legacyshockz]

You miss sap and kick which are your most important spells. But I guess you compensate that with speedpots? no

ofc i speed pot and full buff, including food buff. i just enjoy it. idc if you guys are gonna hate or not. i enjoy it the way it is.

 

[Dramatized]

y'all queue tonight 6pm
Edit : It's more horde that is lacking atm and there was no stupid amount or rogues last games I did

well i could call you biased since you mainly play rogue. you cant really look back on the past 5 games and declare that rogues are no problem. im not saying rogues are the reason we dont get pops but i think its a contributing factor. i somewhat agree that rogues always get to be the scapegoat but it has some substance in it

EU has the potential to revive their bracket, not only that but many of them have witnessed first hand what has happened on the US side of the bracket, so they have that knowledge to guide them in their revival.

my bet: us revival/twink cup has caused more destruction to eu than benefit. its a bit naive of you to think eu lacks pops because we don't have enough knowledge of doing a revival. as i previously said, its dedication/initiative/commitment that's lacking - not how to revive. we dont have a myrm we dont have a pizza we dont have a hb etc etc (not trying to belittle what some players have done/are doing for the eu community but these people are too few and im certainly not one of them).

 

[Nìck]

well i could call you biased since you mainly play rogue. you cant really look back on the past 5 games and declare that rogues are no problem. im not saying rogues are the reason we dont get pops but i think its a contributing factor. i somewhat agree that rogues always get to be the scapegoat but it has some substance in it

Well I know when rogues are a problem the fact I play rogue has nothing to do with that, in the game that just happened there were clearly a problem, the last games we had there were like 3 rogues max per side most BG wich in my opinion the limit
Edit : and I'd like to add that if there would be less rogues I ofc think bgs would be more enjoyable for everyone, today I played Hdruid so its 1 less rogue, even if i suck so much

 

[Conq]

well i could call you biased since you mainly play rogue. you cant really look back on the past 5 games and declare that rogues are no problem. im not saying rogues are the reason we dont get pops but i think its a contributing factor. i somewhat agree that rogues always get to be the scapegoat but it has some substance in it



my bet: us revival/twink cup has caused more destruction to eu than benefit. its a bit naive of you to think eu lacks pops because we don't have enough knowledge of doing a revival. as i previously said, its dedication/initiative/commitment that's lacking - not how to revive. we dont have a myrm we dont have a pizza we dont have a hb etc etc (not trying to belittle what some players have done/are doing for the eu community but these people are too few and im certainly not one of them).

I simply mentioned the knowledge being useful, not that it was their only hope. I get your skepticism, yet revivals don't work if you worry about the obstacles in front of you, you keep going until the bracket is alive or until the it dies. Just because they don't have symbolic leaders active at the moment doesn't mean new ones can't be born, and its not proven that such kinds of people are completely necessary to revive a bracket, most guild leaders aren't legends. To be honest a successful revival never actually ends.

 

[Xanatos]

Also, if you get a lvl 10 on your team, dont just give up, atleast try

Indeed. Tbh i saw a 10 rogue on my team who did pretty well (second top kill, third top damage, 1 return).

On a side note i completely agree with OP and i would add to a vocal minority: stop being an elitist jerk in BGs. The bracket is in a revival phase but nowhere near to stable. By being elitist, criticizing gear in a negative way (bullying instead of advices) you are killing queues. Want to be elitist? Play skirmish with your mate. The bracket needs new players. Don't expect everyone to be BiS and let players have a chance to learn and to gear.
Just envjoy the queues and have fun really.

If we had 5min queues 24/7 you could be a jerk. In today's situation, you can't.

 

[Dramatized]

I simply mentioned the knowledge being useful, not that it was their only hope. I get your skepticism, yet revivals don't work if you worry about the obstacles in front of you, you keep going until the bracket is alive or until the it dies. Just because they don't have symbolic leaders active at the moment doesn't mean new ones can't be born, and its not proven that such kinds of people are completely necessary to revive a bracket, most guild leaders aren't legends. To be honest a successful revival never actually ends.

i dont doubt your intentions or anything but could you specify what knowledge eu is lacking? also im not requesting formal leaders im requesting people to take initiative idc if theyre outspoken "symbolical" leaders or. in fact i dont know why you start pulling words like "symbolical" or "legends" out of your hat; thats your words not mine. im just saying way too few people are prepared to start something rather than just tagging along when bgs are actually popping, doesnt have to be fancy smancy

 

[Conq]

i dont doubt your intentions or anything but could you specify what knowledge eu is lacking? also im not requesting formal leaders im requesting people to take initiative idc if theyre outspoken "symbolical" leaders or. in fact i dont know why you start pulling words like "symbolical" or "legends" out of your hat; thats your words not mine. im just saying way too few people are prepared to start something rather than just tagging along when bgs are actually popping, doesnt have to be fancy smancy

I am very fancy and my words are as well, and i encourage others to be fancy, Its not really about EU lacking knowledge, but I've had a few people from EU get in contact with me requesting to use the GG19 platform, which i've been told is what they are aiming to replicate, because it works, obviously more than an EU version of GG19 is necessary, that should go without question, but it is an important factor, and its about more than just the funding, it inspires community.

There are talks of a GG20 and a GG39, not that i'm involved in, but if a method works, why not replicate it?

 

[Allybeboba]

Eriwen to the fuckin top. Couldn't agree more, and all you trashy dickheads using felmouth gtfo.

Consumables is all part of TWINKing your character to the MAX. Everyone should be using felmouth or some kind of food buff at the very least. Part of the reason I like to roll a Pandaren healer is for the food buff gain.
I just don't understand why this is frowned upon. Just because you choose not to use it does not mean everyone else should. When I play, I use an elixir, a food buff and an extra weapon buff(wizard oil). I also use mana pots. Lots and lots of mana pots.
Not using consumables is no different than not fully enchanting your gear. You are just enchanting your character instead.

Sweetsidney

 

[Dramatized]

I am very fancy and my words are as well, and i encourage others to be fancy, Its not really about EU lacking knowledge, but I've had a few people from EU get in contact with me requesting to use the GG19 platform, which i've been told is what they are aiming to replicate, because it works, obviously more than an EU version of GG19 is necessary, that should go without question, but it is an important factor, and its about more than just the funding, it inspires community.

There are talks of a GG20 and a GG39, not that i'm involved in, but if a method works, why not replicate it?

stuff like gg19 is about twinks taking initiative and organizing things which is great but thats really it no other major efforts have been made during the last year or am i wrong?

 

[Allybeboba]

There are talks of a GG20 and a GG39, not that i'm involved in, but if a method works, why not replicate it?

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Sweetsidney

 

[Conq]

stuff like gg19 is about twinks taking initiative and organizing things which is great but thats really it no other major efforts have been made during the last year or am i wrong?

GG19 was formed to boost the momentum brought on by the TC, and the recent double-revival of PuGs, together those two things have inspired streamers, guild masters, and major content producers within the community, as well as myself, Myrm, and many twink streamers in the NWL, as well as a degree of pride for many twinks. Many major efforts have been brought on in the past year as a result. It created the perfect storm for a revival. Yet one thing that has no part in a revival is negativity like the OP suggested, not that your being anything other than skeptical but the method is proven to work, and yes it is more than just a "Gear and Grow" group.

 

[Slacknul]

The whole reason US is more of a succes is that their players from TBC are still really active and are the leaders of the bracket. Also people who take initiative like Myrm to organize a cup for 19s or Conq who organizes GG19 are lacking on EU. Sure EU has a GG19 now as well but ( from what i have seen) most players last for a day or are just clueless to the meta.

 

[Dramatized]

GG19 was formed to boost the momentum brought on by the TC, together those two things have inspired streamers, guild masters, and major content producers within the community, as well as myself and myrm in the NWL, as well as a degree of pride for many twinks. Many major efforts have been brought on in the past year as a result.

we are not talking about the us community

 

[Dramatized]

The whole reason US is more of a succes is that their players from TBC are still really active and are the leaders of the bracket. Also people who take initiative like Myrm to organize a cup for 19s or Conq who organizes GG19 are lacking on EU. Sure EU has a GG19 now as well but ( from what i have seen) most players last for a day or are just clueless to the meta.

this this

 

[Bacon]

If you think that's a poisonous environment, try US atm...

US is nothing compared to EU aids

 

[Conq]

we are not talking about the us community

Well I know a lot of EU players but your right, I don't know the entire EU community, perhaps you are right about the initiatives being taken, perhaps EU is destined to continue its migration to US and efforts over there will turn out to be fruitless, but there is no harm in trying to get something going. Worse case scenario it just feeds back into the US for those in search of greener pastures. It seems like an EU revival is a win/win to me.

 

[Slacknul]

I would love to get EU up again, but i really do enjoy US now. Also when 19s EU get active, some veteran players will create an OP guild with other experienced players and they will faceroll other teams till the bracket dies again.

 

[Allybeboba]

Without quoting someone in last of the few posts for fear of singling them out.
The U.S. side is still very much a " hard nut to crack". Meaning that it is very very difficult to get into guilds if you are an outside person or you are not one or the clique members. Which means that, on the U.S. side, it really is not all that welcoming to new members to the twink community.
Furthermore, you have to be "in the know" on how these cliques communicate.