Eureka! A Good Idea

[Crucifer2005]

I said it again and again and again....



Hunter's are too powerful because of how low level they receive Aimed Shot...I crit for 600+ damage now on a CD followed by a 400 white. After I do 1000 damage in my two initial attacks if you arn't dead...then you are panicking.



Problem is that 600 CD that hit you put a 50% healing debuff on you and it NEVER comes off if your my only/primary target...now you have to rely on a healer unless you are a healer and you are quickly realizing your low level crap mitigated weak low level spell power heals are only hitting you for 200 health. Which isn't even half of the next Arcane Crit you just ate....top that off with my pet biting your ankles delaying that massive Holy Light/Heal you really need and your dead before you can even think about counter healing me.



Solution?



Simple:



Move Aimed Shot to the same level in MM tree as Mortal Strike is for an Arms Warrior since their the same attack for the two different classes.



Then give Hunter's Kill Shot at level 24 (The same Level Warriors get Execute). Remove the horribly stupid Kill Shot cooldown (still have no idea why this exists). And rework the damage from Kill Shot to match the same area as a level 24 Execute.



To finish up this change...Replace that open talent space in MM where Aimed Shot used to be with a Talent called:



"MultiShot Specialization"

1/1

Allows your MultiShot to become an Instant Cast.



(Basically replacing Aimed Shot in PvP at low levels)





The QQ you get is "Survival NEEDS Aimed Shot" - IMO shove off Survival shouldnt be a primary PvP spec. Its the Balance tree for Hunters and its dumb that its now a primary anyway.





That is how you fix hunters.



But w/e.

 

[Obe]

BTW this is the internet. All classes has nicknames that are "rude". Oh noes!

They do? What do you call priests, shamans, druids, rogues, warriors etc?

The only ones I know are Retardin and Huntard, and the first is just a spec, whereas the other is a whole class getting dismissed. You're 13 years old or something? I know you're frustrated about being owned by lowbie hunters without any skill, it's the same as I feel when I enter arena on my 80 hunter and lose to keyboard turners just because they rolled the right class.

 

[RC-ST.]

hunters are best because they are 2 players actually, the hunter, and the pet

if they were at level 80 blizzard would have fixed their skills so it be equal to other classes

but since blizz don t give a dam to twinks he never balanced this class... it's overpower for level 29

 

[Crucifer2005]

hunters are best because they are 2 players actually, the hunter, and the pet

if they were at level 80 blizzard would have fixed their skills so it be equal to other classes

but since blizz don t give a dam to twinks he never balanced this class... it's overpower for level 29

My pet isn't the one pumping 1600dmg in 3 shots.



All he does is control my target/cause cast time delays. With damage that can be mitigated by hots.

 

[Screamforme]

Solution?



Simple:



Move Aimed Shot to the same level in MM tree as Mortal Strike is for an Arms Warrior since their the same attack for the two different classes.



Then give Hunter's Kill Shot at level 24 (The same Level Warriors get Execute). Remove the horribly stupid Kill Shot cooldown (still have no idea why this exists). And rework the damage from Kill Shot to match the same area as a level 24 Execute.



To finish up this change...Replace that open talent space in MM where Aimed Shot used to be with a Talent called:



"MultiShot Specialization"

1/1

Allows your MultiShot to become an Instant Cast.



(Basically replacing Aimed Shot in PvP at low levels)





The QQ you get is "Survival NEEDS Aimed Shot" - IMO shove off Survival shouldnt be a primary PvP spec. Its the Balance tree for Hunters and its dumb that its now a primary anyway.





That is how you fix hunters.



But w/e.

I really dont think Blizz is going to destroy the balance in both PvE & PvP at endgame, just for 29 twinking.



You want to remove the killshot CD? Maybe what I am reading is not what I think it is, but if it is every hunter in a raid is going to be hitting every boss at 20% or below for 7-10k every hit, and critting for 14k-20k--with no cooldown? And do you realize that SV hunters, raid buffed, have a 50% crit rate in good gear?



Say goodbye to any fight were Blizz wants you to race against the clock! As soon as the boss gets to 20%, all you need is 4 hunters in your raid and he is dead. Thaddius, Patch, any guy with an enrage timer becomes a non-issue.

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Also, moving aimed shot lower in the tree would hurt end-game pvp. EVERY hunter, every spec uses it, so it needs to be high.



What on earth makes you say SV was never meant to be a PvP spec? If anything, that is its most obvious use. Traps, deterance, disengage, wingclip, scatter shot. . .is any of this ringing a bell?

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I still say a better approach to aimed shot is to make the healing reduction contingent something that is trainable, and trainable at like level 50 or 60, and make it far less powerful at lower levels. At aimed shot rank 1 make it weapon damage + 1, instead of 5. MM isnt a leveling spec, so this wont hurt anyone leveling too badly.



And ad LoS to BGs

 

[Crucifer2005]

I really dont think Blizz is going to destroy the balance in both PvE & PvP at endgame, just for 29 twinking.



You want to remove the killshot CD? Maybe what I am reading is not what I think it is, but if it is every hunter in a raid is going to be hitting every boss at 20% or below for 7-10k every hit, and critting for 14k-20k--with no cooldown? And do you realize that SV hunters, raid buffed, have a 50% crit rate in good gear?



Say goodbye to any fight were Blizz wants you to race against the clock! As soon as the boss gets to 20%, all you need is 4 hunters in your raid and he is dead. Thaddius, Patch, any guy with an enrage timer becomes a non-issue.

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Also, moving aimed shot lower in the tree would hurt end-game pvp. EVERY hunter, every spec uses it, so it needs to be high.



What on earth makes you say SV was never meant to be a PvP spec? If anything, that is its most obvious use. Traps, deterance, disengage, wingclip, scatter shot. . .is any of this ringing a bell?

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I still say a better approach to aimed shot is to make the healing reduction contingent something that is trainable, and trainable at like level 50 or 60, and make it far less powerful at lower levels. At aimed shot rank 1 make it weapon damage + 1, instead of 5. MM isnt a leveling spec, so this wont hurt anyone leveling too badly.



And ad LoS to BGs

To your first section:



How is that any different than an arms warrior spamming execute?



To the second part - How would it not be different than Arms Warriors?



To the 3rd part - I could careless about raiding.

 

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To your first section:



How is that any different than an arms warrior spamming execute?



To the second part - How would it not be different than Arms Warriors?



To the 3rd part - I could careless about raiding.

1) They are very different skills. Just because they both activate at 20% doesn't make them the same thing. I know they scale differently, even though I dont understand the math. The Execute does less damage than the kill-shot, for similarily geared players. Moreover, I am pretty sure hunters shoot faster than Warriors hit. My attack speed is 1.8, but the warriors in our guild are over 3.



2) I am not sure what you are saying really. . .the second part was about your suggestion to move aimed down in the tree, and I said all 3 specs need it, for PvP--where the 50% healing reduction contingent is essential. IT wasnt about kill shot or execute. It was about reduced healing. Execute has no healing reduction portion.



3) While I appreciate your honesty, somewhat. . . Common seriously! "I am a twink, I dont care about endgame. I dont raid--so no one else should either! Blizz should redesign the whole game around my 29 bracket, the whole game should be 29 bracket"



Its that kind of attitude that gives twinks a bad name. Morever, it is very immature. I have a feeling that if they DID equalize hunters in 29s a big, you are the kind of person who would QQ and find another class/bracket to be OP in.

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Now: back at you. Did you even LOOK at MY suggestions? I pointed out why YOURS wouldnt work--what do you have to say about mine?

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Btw: here are the tooltips on killshot and execute:



Kill shot:

You attempt to finish the wounded target off, firing a long range attack dealing 200% weapon damage plus [RAP * 0.40 + 650]. Kill Shot can only be used on enemies that have 20% or less health.



Execute:

Attempt to finish off a wounded foe, causing [1456 + AP * 0.2] damage and converting each extra point of rage into 38 additional damage (up to a maximum cost of 30 rage). Only usable on enemies that have less than 20% health.



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Edit: I do, however, agree with you about the pet not being any significant part of the OP. That only applies to BM hunters, at later levels.

 

[NickeQuick]

They do? What do you call priests, shamans, druids, rogues, warriors etc?

The only ones I know are Retardin and Huntard, and the first is just a spec, whereas the other is a whole class getting dismissed. You're 13 years old or something? I know you're frustrated about being owned by lowbie hunters without any skill, it's the same as I feel when I enter arena on my 80 hunter and lose to keyboard turners just because they rolled the right class.

Shadow priests have nonhealingtards, shamans have wind WTFury also frostshokbam!, druids have lolmoonfirespam, rogues are just homo so I am not going to talk about them, warriors have lolhammyspam. Happy now? Sorry my nicknames are a little out of date at the moment, but I manage. Funny story I rolled a 29 huntard and I am saying that it is too easy as one to roll every other class in the bracket. Don't worry I have made other classes in 29; none of which were retardins. Most importantly about your 80 "hunter" nobody in the twinkx community cares about your main. This is a thread about the 29 bracket. Leave your 80 out of the bracket please.



And once again people are posting suggestions for balancing 29 huntards without following the rule. The rule is that the solution must stay within the bracket. Anything that would have large effects on any other bracket can not be considered as a real solution. As everybody knows the higher the level the weaker the huntard. That's why 19 and 29 huntards are so good all around.



So can we all keep this thread in the 29 bracket and follow the rule? If we can not then close the thread because it is being bombarded with fail.

 

[yetoo]

God, I can't believe someone would actually argue FOR backpeddling, AT 80? And you wonder why hunters are "weak at end game." LOL! Simple fixes to 29 huntARDS have been suggested FOREVER ago by Lloydganks. Remove Aimed Shot Healing Debuff, lower DMG coefficients for pets, Auto-Shoot, Arcane Shot, and Aimed Shot, making it scale at 80.



Of course all this is far too much work for twinks, so we just have to live with it. 29 and twinking in general is dead to me, I'm making a last push for 1850 on my resto druid (Ya i know, i'm smart. I do arena after we get nerfed lawl, w/e) then i'm gone from this game.



Simple hotfix that would make everyone's life better would be LoS on the stumps but w/e lol

 

[pier]

then i'm gone from this game.

nuh uh





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