"where does it say endgame is ONLY the highest raid progression (togc 25)"
- Kinda says it right in the name..
End game.. what you find at the very end of the game? Seems kinda intuitive for that to mean the current toughest boss, as everything else has some progression content after that, and if there's progression available afterwards, then it's not the End Game?
If you think Beasts is tank and spank, try tanking them
.. taunt rotation, 2 mechanics that can insta-gib the tank if you're not paying attention, aoe to move out of, target swapping, kiting and a hard enrage, combined with another mechanic which means anyone in the raid has the potential to cause a wipe if they aren't paying attention. Jaraxxus has target swapping, aoe to move out of and flame kiting. Hrm maybe Twins can be called a tank and spank if you use the door cheese-it strat.
The term "tank and spank" was originally used for fights that were literally just that.. going through MC (and to a lesser extent BWL), there were numerous fights that were nothing except whole raid stand in same spot, dpsers and healers just spam the same rotation on the same target until he falls over and gives loot. That's "tank and spank". Ragnaros was never considered a tank and spank because you had to collapse on to the same spot to aoe down a wave (or 2?) of adds.
I'll admit I miss-read about the emblems.. in a thread about end game I assumed he was refering to collecting the top rank of emblems. As, ya know, the old badges aren't at the end of the game any more.
@arthurianknight
- I think you may be infected with the wow-forum-mindset. I've cleared 10man totc with RL friends and alts where the top dps was 2400. If you have some skill and some friends with some skill, then you can go from heroics into 10man totc, then from there to the heroic version (10 or 25 man). The trouble is finding a group to go with, as the offical-wow-forum mindset says that it's impossible.. it's not, it's just impossible to faceroll it with that level of gear. Oh wait.. you can clear Ulduar10 in quest and non-heroic dungeon blues.. so you can either ding 80 and go straight to ulduar, then into totc heroic.. or you can do a few heroics and start your raid career in totc normal.
You were forced to keep to the progression path in TBC due to the attunement processes.. now you can just ding and raid almost anything. (If you have doubts I'll find the link about the all-blue ulduar raid)
Naxx has a couple of tasty pieces, but yeah.. should be cobwebbed and ignored really.
"ulduar being optionnal, how so ?"
- Because you don't need full T8 to go to TotC.
As Falkor says.. 5man heroics to 10man TotC is a valid path of progression.. you can replace 5man heroics with Uld10 if you wanted to (although you will need friends to do this, as no-one will take a blue-geared stranger raiding). 10man TotC gear is plenty for 25man.
PS: We're not treating you like a retard, we are trying to explain why your beliefs are wrong. There may be gear in Naxx which you think is better than what you are wearing, but that doesn't mean that what you are wearing isn't good enough for harder content. Most people, especially /trade people, drastically over-estimate what gear is actually needed to clear content.
Blues = Good enough for Uld10
Uld10 or heroic epics = Good enough for 10 or 25man totc
totc gear = Good enough for End Game (meaning heroic versions of totc)
This isn't speculation; this is fact.
@Stabbed
- I never implied that you couldn't be awesome and a troll at the same time. Oh by the way, you realise that Twink actually means gay bloke right?
Urban Dictionary: twink
