EDIT: Changes reverted!｜Big changes to ilvl on PTR all epics nerfed to the ground except wod epics

[chelly]

I’d love these changes to stay

id give up my vanilla epics lol

 

[Chops]

The best part about ops picture now that I think about it is that book of the dead is ill 25 and blade of eternal darkness is ilvl 23...they both come from the same xpac lol.

youll be real excited to learn that the vanish ring, elekks tusk and grekkas dentures all require different levels too

 

[Sponsor]

a lot of twinks already stopped playing or just went end game. Like i alluded to, if your gear is gonna change every major content patch anyway, might as well end game.

^ this tbh.

Whole reason I used to twink was to be able to park a toon full BiS for a whole expansion, maybe 2 and never be bothered about gearing.

 

[Razien]

Idk if you guys realized it or not but all they did was "turn off the scaling". My legion world BoE epics are req lv40 + original ilvl, as if they were looted in actual legion without scaling existing.

They probably did it because they're working on actually scaling shit properly, and had to turn it off for some reason.

Fat chance this won't go live -- but then again.. It's Blizzard, so.. you know.

 

[Jaco]

This is how some of the items in my 20’s inventory changed on PTR vs live (Jan 15 2023):
(where I put req level it means I can’t equip that item)

Crow Wing Reaper ilvl61 -> ilvl32 req lvl27
The Chief’s Enforcer ilvl61 -> ilvl25
Gnarled Ash Staff ilvl52 -> ilvl19
Horn of Valor no change (ilvl61)
Armsmaster’s Sealed Locket ilvl61 -> ilvl19
Armored Elekk Tusk ilvl47 -> ilvl40 req lvl35
Precious Bloodthorn Loop ilvl47 -> ilvl40
Tarren Mill Defender’s Cinch ilvl61 -> ilvl31
Wyrmscale Greaves ilvl61 rare quality -> ilvl32 req lvl27 epic quality
Dragon Slayer’s Sabatons ilvl61 -> ilvl35 req lvl30
Auchenai Boots ilvl61 -> ilvl32
Claw of the Watcher ilvl61 -> ilvl32 req lvl27
Raven-Heart Headdress ilvl61 -> ilvl31 req lvl26
Shamblehide Chestguard ilvl61 -> ilvl30 req lvl25
Epic quality quest reward went rare ilv57 ->ilv34

It’s easy to report issues with items in inventory on PTR, just need to press F6 and enter a short description. I’ve submitted like 15.

Dungeon loot item levels as per Adventure Guide on PTR (Jan 15 2023) viewed on my 20:
Ragefire Chasm ilvl11
Deadmines ilvl12
Shadowfang Keep ilvl13
Blackfathom Deeps ilv16
Gnomeregan ilvl18
Scarlet Halls ilvl19
Razorfen Kraul ilvl20
Old Hillsbrad Foothills ilvl31-32 req26-27, some ilvl32 items show as epic quality but there are rare quality ilvl32 items too
Auchenai Crypts ilvl31-32 req26-27, some epic quality
The Blood Furnace ilvl30-32 req25-27, some epic quality
8 WoD dungeons, all ilvl44
Legion dungeons, all ilvl50 req40
Operation: Mechagon (HEROIC) epic loot items ilvl78 (no min level req shown)
Other BfA: ilvl59, Azerite pieces req50
Shlands: ilvl158 req60
DF: ilvl278 req58

 

[Razien]

This is how some of the items in my 20’s inventory changed on PTR vs live (Jan 15 2023):
(where I put req level it means I can’t equip that item)

Crow Wing Reaper ilvl61 -> ilvl32 req lvl27
The Chief’s Enforcer ilvl61 -> ilvl25
Gnarled Ash Staff ilvl52 -> ilvl19
Horn of Valor no change (ilvl61)
Armsmaster’s Sealed Locket ilvl61 -> ilvl19
Armored Elekk Tusk ilvl47 -> ilvl40 req lvl35
Precious Bloodthorn Loop ilvl47 -> ilvl40
Tarren Mill Defender’s Cinch ilvl61 -> ilvl31
Wyrmscale Greaves ilvl61 rare quality -> ilvl32 req lvl27 epic quality
Dragon Slayer’s Sabatons ilvl61 -> ilvl35 req lvl30
Auchenai Boots ilvl61 -> ilvl32
Claw of the Watcher ilvl61 -> ilvl32 req lvl27
Raven-Heart Headdress ilvl61 -> ilvl31 req lvl26
Shamblehide Chestguard ilvl61 -> ilvl30 req lvl25
Epic quality quest reward went rare ilv57 ->ilv34

It’s easy to report issues with items in inventory on PTR, just need to press F6 and enter a short description. I’ve submitted like 15.

Dungeon loot item levels as per Adventure Guide on PTR (Jan 15 2023) viewed on my 20:
Ragefire Chasm ilvl11
Deadmines ilvl12
Shadowfang Keep ilvl13
Blackfathom Deeps ilv16
Gnomeregan ilvl18
Scarlet Halls ilvl19
Razorfen Kraul ilvl20
Old Hillsbrad Foothills ilvl31-32 req26-27, some ilvl32 items show as epic quality but there are rare quality ilvl32 items too
Auchenai Crypts ilvl31-32 req26-27, some epic quality
The Blood Furnace ilvl30-32 req25-27, some epic quality
8 WoD dungeons, all ilvl44
Legion dungeons, all ilvl50 req40
Operation: Mechagon (HEROIC) epic loot items ilvl78 (no min level req shown)
Other BfA: ilvl59, Azerite pieces req50
Shlands: ilvl158 req60
DF: ilvl278 req58

Like I said that's literally just their original ilvl / level req before scaling was ever introduced.

 

[chelly]

May I recommend that when submitting bug reports, try to target the reports on the thing being tested for that PTR release as opposed to the item or spell that is broken.

a great example would be the trading post. Which is being actively tested now, along with some other, mostly endgame pve features.

I have been opening up all my bug reports for starter edition pvp, enchant ilvl requirements and these new item level changes from this PTR build under the trading post npcs and quest.

definitely include item or spell ids which can be found from wowhead, it helps to create some sticky notes to quickly copy paste multiple reports.

blizzard is focusing their bug testing on these new features of the game and we need to slide our reports in there to get recognized quicker.

 

[Imnotabelf]

a lot of twinks already stopped playing or just went end game. Like i alluded to, if your gear is gonna change every major content patch anyway, might as well end game.

This is the first expansion I’ve never played. Every patch seems to break more and more stuff.

 

[Emelia]

Welcome to Modern Warcraft. Make a toon and watch it get nerf into the ground within years 2.

 

[Berlin]

Maybe it's a sign from the universe to join the darkside and become a soccer dad

 

[Emelia]

Without really knowing, researching or trusting much of the ptr I decided to fix the ilvl chart that wowhead posted about the Changes from SL to DF. Feel free to update this super serious chart if your better at graphs than me.

 

[Chops]

Maybe it's a sign from the universe to join the darkside and become a soccer dad

i see what you did there

 

[Spaz]

Copied some toons to confirm this:
MOP (Mythic SoO) from 126 > 42 (Heirloom: 107)
WoD (Mythic Raid) from 138 > 45 (Heirloom: 113)
Legion (Mythic Throne) from 151 > 50 (Heirloom: 130)

EDIT: Those are actual itemlevels that have been nerfed, not drops on the ptr.


SoO Mythic drops 45ilvl

 

[Results]

I just logged onto the PTR to check a few things. Savage Glad Chain is ilvl 27 or so down fromm 100, same as Circle of Flame. I have 3 Ironfoes, one ilvl 28 and 2 ilvl 100 still and my Blade of Eternal Darkness is still ilvl 100. A quest reward that procced to ilvl 100 is now ilvl 44 along with some other bits from quests. My epic boots with 2 gem slots from a TBC dungeon quest is also still ilvl 100 (Auchenai Boots)

 

[Merlin]

Copied some toons to confirm this:
MOP (Mythic SoO) from 126 > 42 (Heirloom: 107)
WoD (Mythic Raid) from 138 > 45 (Heirloom: 113)
Legion (Mythic Throne) from 151 > 50 (Heirloom: 130)

EDIT: Those are actual itemlevels that have been nerfed, not drops on the ptr.


SoO Mythic drops 45ilvl

all my SoO myth changes to around ilvl45 when the major ilvl changes took place couple months back .. so now they are just making it consistent with the gears players who had gotten long ago .. when its ilvl45, you get 1 or 2 primary stats i remember lololololol i almost wanted to put in a ticket when the changes took place .. so does all these ilvl changes now only affects raid items ? or dungeon drop/dungeon epic proc will also be affected ?

 

[Spaz]

As far as my experience on the PTR goes it's affecting raids and dungeons - with one exception. My procced WoD dungeon gear is still at the high level it was before.
But for an alt you don't xp stop forever this isn't really an option if you don't want to farm dungeons for weeks and leveling out of your gear in 2 hours.
This is a level 10 priest on the ptr in WoD dungeon gear and heirlooms.
Blue WoD: 44, Heirloom: 41, WoD Epic: 59
The heirlooms seems to improve after level 15 but WoD dungeon procs are still better (at least in the 10-19. Haven't checked beyond that range)

EDIT:
My level 20 hunter with BC dungeon gear has the issue that he can't wear it anymore. I had this item equipped
https://www.wowhead.com/item=24388/girdle-of-the-gale-storm
Which now shows I have to be 25 to wear it. (Itemlevel 30)

 

[toskosa]

youll be real excited to learn that the vanish ring, elekks tusk and grekkas dentures all require different levels to

Pretty sure all 3 of these are from the same zone correct? how does that even happen?

that's literally just their original ilvl

Idk chops post about the tusks and vanish ring have me questioning that considering they are from the same zone but have different lvl reqs. Was this the xpac that gear from quests starting scaling with lvl? I know dungeons and old world quests didnt until 7.3

 

[Razien]

Idk chops post about the tusks and vanish ring have me questioning that considering they are from the same zone but have different lvl reqs.

I think BoE's were just scaled to "what they used to drop as before scaling".

the difference in ilvl between expansions has always been odd to me, for some reason WoD is randomly higher or lower than legion, but now.. suddenly it's higher or lower randomly in itself as well..?

tusks and vanish ring

Well.. one is looted as a treasure, the other is loot from an npc.. perhaps that's what caused the difference?

 

[Emelia]

wouldn't surprise me if we get a half finished project in ilvl/level changes for a patch or 2.

These MF devs on this MF PTR!
Ilvl MF do you SPEAK IT?

 

[Bakedaflol]

a lot of twinks already stopped playing or just went end game. Like i alluded to, if your gear is gonna change every major content patch anyway, might as well end game.

I'm just waiting for a sustainable gear-meta tbh. Would be nice if everything just got nerfed to the way Blue->Epic scaling worked in BFA at this point.
Hell, I'd take legion scaling over whatever this is.. At least I had time to have fun with the game between optional grinds, back then.

Since there have been general complaints over how bad early-game is right now, we might actually have changes on the horizon to hold out for.
Personally, Im not depressed enough to log in every day waiting for that at the moment x))))