double-agm as a non-human paladin?

[Bengalosch]

title says it all - does it make sense?

or is insiginia too important (better than 12 stam)?

ps: lez say its a ret-pally.

 

[Gboisen]

title says it all - does it make sense?

or is insiginia too important (better than 12 stam)?

ps: lez say its a ret-pally.

If you can get 2 AGMs then maybe you should switch to a more populated server.

 

[solvogero]

i'd say getting the 2nd agm is a higher priority than the insignia...but they should both be on your wishlist as you'd then use the agm when the insignia is on cooldown.

the other perk of the agm is that it benefits from +x% stam buffs so in some cases its really ~14 stam.

 

[Yde]

Getting AGM number two and PvPing for IotH do not conflict at all. As solvogero said, when IotH is on CD I switch to equipment sets with two AGM, AGM+Swift Hand of Justice, 2xSHoJ all the time.

EDIT: TrinketBar is an old but still working addon for trinket management.

 

[Deezle]

doesn't equipping ioth put it on cooldown? so if its cooldown is up after 3 mins, reequipping would put it on another 3 min cooldown. i could be wrong.
i would try both ways, trinket is good, but 12 extra stam is also

 

[Yde]

doesn't equipping ioth put it on cooldown? so if its cooldown is up after 3 mins, reequipping would put it on another 3 min cooldown.

30 seconds general trinket CD after equip. So 2:30 minutes of 2 AGM, then when IotH is at 30 seconds equip again. The 30 seconds go for AGM also, so don't equip the second AGM if you anticipate wanting to use AGM within the next 30 seconds.


EDIT: This is wrong, of course; as Cellebate pointed out, the CD for IotH is 5 minutes. So 4:30 minutes of 2 AGM.

 

[Deezle]

30 seconds general trinket CD after equip.

i would definately do what Yde said then. insignia/agm, then agm/agm when insignia is on cooldown.

 

[Cellebate]

Am I slow, I thought the insignias had a 5 min cd?

 

[Yde]

Am I slow, I thought the insignias had a 5 min cd?

No, you're right. Five minutes. Silly me, just went with what was posted before. -_-

 

[Cellebate]

Whew, thought I was missing out on something grand here!

 

[Fourtwennay]

I don't know if they've fixed it, but you could always try setting up a macro, which is what I used to do. I don't remember exactly what mine was, but something like this might work (might being keyword). If working properly, that would use your equipped insignia, then equip your AGM. Then in 270 seconds (ie 4.5 minutes), it would equip your insignia again. That way there's still 30 secs cd anyway, so the 30 second trinket cd isn't a factor.

/use Insignia of the Horde
/equip Arena Grand Master
/in 270 equip Insignia of the Horde

 

[Bengalosch]

I don't know if they've fixed it, but you could always try setting up a macro, which is what I used to do. I don't remember exactly what mine was, but something like this might work (might being keyword). If working properly, that would use your equipped insignia, then equip your AGM. Then in 270 seconds (ie 4.5 minutes), it would equip your insignia again. That way there's still 30 secs cd anyway, so the 30 second trinket cd isn't a factor.

/use Insignia of the Horde
/equip Arena Grand Master
/in 270 equip Insignia of the Horde

wow, if that works, your my hero.

can anybody confirm that macro or tell how such a macro would have to look like?

i will try it definitely - but first i need to get 2 agms first

 

[Yde]

I don't know if they've fixed it, but you could always try setting up a macro, which is what I used to do. I don't remember exactly what mine was, but something like this might work (might being keyword). If working properly, that would use your equipped insignia, then equip your AGM. Then in 270 seconds (ie 4.5 minutes), it would equip your insignia again. That way there's still 30 secs cd anyway, so the 30 second trinket cd isn't a factor.

/use Insignia of the Horde
/equip Arena Grand Master
/in 270 equip Insignia of the Horde

I don't think you can trigger time delayed actions in a macro?

I actually did use
/use
/equip

/equip does equip AGM into the top trinket slot, if you're out of combat.
But careful, if your AGM already is in the first slot and Insignia in the second it just swaps one AGM for the other.

I stopped using that pretty damn quickly, because it triggers the general trinket CD on both AGMs.

It really sucks if your AGM is cooled down, you escape a CC by trinketing, the equip goes through because the CC didn't put you in combat, and then you proceed to die because AGM is on a 30 second CD.

 

[Fourtwennay]

I don't think you can trigger time delayed actions in a macro?


I actually did use
/use
/equip

/equip does equip AGM into the top trinket slot, if you're out of combat.
But careful, if your AGM already is in the first slot and Insignia in the second it just swaps one AGM for the other.

I stopped using that pretty damn quickly, because it triggers the general trinket CD on both AGMs.

It really sucks if your AGM is cooled down, you escape a CC by trinketing, the equip goes through because the CC didn't put you in combat, and then you proceed to die because AGM is on a 30 second CD.

Idk if you can now, but in WOTLK that was similar to my afk macro for AV weekends lol
/in 5 /s lol
/in 25 /s lol
/in 45 /s lol
/in 65 /s lol
etc

So that every 20 seconds I would "lol" and never go afk. Now the function of this macro no longer works (as in, you still go afk), but the macro itself works.

 

[Yde]

Idk if you can now, but in WOTLK that was similar to my afk macro for AV weekends lol
/in 5 /s lol
/in 25 /s lol
/in 45 /s lol
/in 65 /s lol
etc

So that every 20 seconds I would "lol" and never go afk. Now the function of this macro no longer works (as in, you still go afk), but the macro itself works.

Ooh, my mistake. That is sweet, I really thought that had been 'fixed'. I've been searching for where I read about that not being possible and can't even find the page anymore. :/ Thanks!