Destructive Arrogance

[c[_]]

That's a problematic generalization. You can reason with plenty of people playing F2P or F2P restricted characters, and you cannot reason with others. Same as with any reasonably large population of humans

agreed. but i get generalized every time i join a bg as soon as someone sees im p2p, see what im getting at here?

1. I don't need to pay for the game I enjoy, which is the unlimited free version of WoW on US servers. Also, I don't want to pay money for a more extensive version of a game I take random breaks of some weeks to months from.

but i do pay, does that mean i shouldn't be allowed in the 20-24 bracket? remember, its not the f2p bracket like some people like to think.

2. Here we encounter the elusive shared consciousness of F2Pdom again, that I'm explicably not a part of. Why, your observation of variance and discrepancy between some F2Ps' words and others' actions almost suggests that F2P players are not in fact part of a giant collective hive-mind, but that just cannot be.

most of them want a bracket that only them are allowed in, they are kinda segregating them selves.

 

[La'Haryl]

People keep forgetting the fact that this bracket is what it is and without core game mechanics being changed with the way brackets are organized it isn't going to change.

If you don't like the way the bracket is don't play it. It's that simple.

I keep seeing the excuse "This game isn't worth paying for.". And right after that excuse is made the F2P's that make it turn around and say "24's aren't fair, BLAH BLAH BLAH WAH WAH WAH.". It's alarmingly hypocritical in the sense that if the whole game isn't worth sinking money into, why the hell would this bracket be worth sinking time into? It's completely backwards thinking.

That's why 24's don't give a crap and that's why the 100's of threads like this have never and will never change anything.

If you want to change this bracket, pull an Andy Dufresne;

Dear Blizzard,

I'm a new aspiring player, when I played your trial to get a feel of how PvP is I was killed over and over by level 24 players and the experience is ruined so I regret to inform you that I'm not going to purchase the full version of your game. The way you conduct your trial version shows a level of apathy that could potentially reflect the end-game experience of World of Warcraft and due to the price of the game and it's expansions it's a risk I'm not willing to take.

Sincerely,
Some guy who's been crying on Twinkinfo for over a year.

Send that e-mail a couple hundred times and they'll do something about it. But posting crap about it on twinkinfo doesn't do anything. You won't sway these players to stop rolling 24's because people like feeling better than other players.

 

[c[_]]

I don't pay for this game, because I don't enjoy it enough to pay for it.

just what i wanted to know. you do enjoy it enough to argue on this forum about it, you do enjoy it enough to have gotten 100k hks on a single toon, you do enjoy it enough to use the dk exploit to get more stuff, but not to pay

what i mean about rules is, you all talk a fair fight tell i actually see you in bgs. then you're worse than 24s. playing OP classes (ignore that question if i was you) and asking mr p2p to hold the flag while you farm.

and if you cant be civil i'll just put you on ignore.

 

[Garrett]

just what i wanted to know. you do enjoy it enough to argue on this forum about it, you do enjoy it enough to have gotten 100k hks on a single toon, you do enjoy it enough to use the dk exploit to get more stuff, but not to pay

what i mean about rules is, you all talk a fair fight tell i actually see you in bgs. then you're worse than 24s. playing OP classes (ignore that question if i was you) and asking mr p2p to hold the flag while you farm.

and if you cant be civil i'll just put you on ignore.

Yes, because you were being ''civil'' when you told me my opinion was worthless cuz u pay monies. Uh huh.

Look buddy, I'm not going to respect you when you're so intend on stepping over me, okay?

Dude, you don't even make any sense. You keep conjuring up this nonsense about F2Ps in your attempt to make a point but all you do is fall flat on your face.

 

[c[_]]

Yes, because you were being ''civil'' when you told me my opinion was worthless cuz u pay monies. Uh huh.

no i was being honest. people who contribute to something get a say in it, people who dont, dont. logic?

Look buddy, I'm not going to respect you when you're so intend on stepping over me, okay?

i only want respect from people i respect, why would i want respect from a cata hunter that has the cheek to moralize with me?

Dude, you don't even make any sense. You keep conjuring up this nonsense about F2Ps in your attempt to make a point but all you do is fall flat on your face.

what dont make sense? i asked you why if f2ps want balance are they op-rolling and gy farming, you dodged it. answer it or forget it.

 

[Garrett]

no i was being honest. people who contribute to something get a say in it, people who dont, dont. logic?



i only want respect from people i respect, why would i want respect from a cata hunter that has the cheek to moralize with me?



what dont make sense? i asked you why if f2ps want balance are they op-rolling and gy farming, you dodged it. answer it or forget it.

The value of my opinion is not based on you.

It is insulting that you think I actually care about your assessment of my opinion. And funny that you think you can rate my opinion without even reading it. That speaks volumes about your thought process. And not good volumes either.

I didn't dodge squat. I didn't bother to answer your shitty, faulty generalizations because that's what they are. I don't waste my time trying to outargue garbage. Some things are worth the effort, other things aren't.

You got offended that I had disrespected you after you had disrespected me. Don't fucking spin it. And it's not just about MY respect, in particular. You want the respect of the F2P players in this bracket, but you're not entitled to any of that.

Really, anybody can see through your constant SHODDY attempts at self-justification.

 

[c[_]]

The value of my opinion is not based on you.

It is insulting that you think I actually care about your assessment of my opinion. And funny that you think you can rate my opinion without even reading it. That speaks volumes about your thought process. And not good volumes either.

the only opinion i'm getting from you is one of entitlement of something you've never gave a penny towards. that my friend speaks volumes.

I didn't dodge squat. I didn't bother to answer your shitty, faulty generalization because that's what it is. I don't waste my time trying to outargue garbage. Some things are worth the effort, other things aren't.

answer it, please dont tell me it dont happen because that would be garbage.

You got offended that I had disrespected you after you had disrespected me. Don't fucking spin it. And it's not just about MY respect, in particular. You want the respect of the F2P players in this bracket, but you're not entitled to any of that.

i got offended by your continues F'in and blinding. please show me where i have asked for yours or any f2ps respect. if i did i'd be in the welfarewow section wouldn't i?

answer the question i have asked 3 times or i cba replying.

 

[Garrett]

answer the question i have asked 3 times or i cba replying.

What question? You ask one question, get an answer for said question, then alter it to be something else.

I'm the one that's wasting my time here. Not you.

You will ALWAYS believe what you want. What you want here is assurance. But you won't get that from me.

 

[Yde]

Hey, hey, discussion is fine but please stay polite.


La'Haryl, language a bit crude but agree with the thoughts. ^^


c[_], if generalizations are something you don't like to be made to include you, try not to make them yourself, is all that I'm thinking.

I personally also am one of the people who would enjoy a bracket only made out of 20s. Subscribers who want to twink in an active bracket would stay level 20, and everyone would try to help new F2Ps to hit-cap and gear, and it would be active and lovely and competitive. If I made EU twinks I wouldn't roll 24, 64, 74 or 89 either. But as that is just what I would enjoy, I simply accept that other people enjoy completely different things and that it's just a cute little fantasy.

 

[Jenn]

Reason to run a 10 man group is due to everyone else running 10 mans. More 24s are running right now more then ever. 10 man f2p will be just as strong as 24 10 man in 5.2 . No reason to vote on poll. It's confusing to me.

 

[c[_]]

Hey, hey, discussion is fine but please stay polite.


La'Haryl, language a bit crude but agree with the thoughts. ^^


c[_], if generalizations are something you don't like to be made to include you, try not to make them yourself, is all that I'm thinking.

I personally also am one of the people who would enjoy a bracket only made out of 20s. Subscribers who want to twink in an active bracket would stay level 20, and everyone would try to help new F2Ps to hit-cap and gear, and it would be active and lovely and competitive. If I made EU twinks I wouldn't roll 24, 64, 74 or 89 either. But as that is just what I would enjoy, I simply accept that other people enjoy completely different things and that it's just a cute little fantasy.

but i do play a 20. and as for generalizations. "do onto others".

 

[Yde]

Haha. ^^ You're apparently following "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" but I'm a follower of "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".

 

[c[_]]

Haha. ^^ You're apparently following "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" but I'm a follower of "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".

i couldn't agree more with you, i wish you knew how many times i've tried to be nice.

 

[Yde]

That's great, [MENTION=18072]c[_][/MENTION]! Don't get discouraged, some people might react rudely, but if you keep at it you might do good in some cases. ^^ Who knows how many people we can encourage to try out less represented classes or find the best gear and play style for them.

So, what are the reasons for the poll votes so far? Everyone "disapproving" is it because you're also bored with too skewed team compositions?

 

[La'Haryl]

Malcontent with the community and tough love are my trademarks here. If it isn't crude and peppered with the slightest bit of recognizable sarcasm and intellect it wouldn't be me at the wheel.

 

[Omgwtfsap]

Holy Crit and their friends are running 10 man 24 premades in a predominantly 20 bracket. I don't want to start a flame war. I want to know if any of you genuinely approve of this atrocious behavior. It angers me personally. I don't deny it.

Looks like I will have fun running a flag with my druid while I get chased around the map giggling as they struggle to keep up with my mobility and overpowered heals. Game on.

Running 10 man 24 premade is some pretty pussy stuff.

like a cata hunter......lol jk I just had to do it.

i couldn't agree more with you, i wish you knew how many times i've tried to be nice.

Do or do not there is no try.

I don't pay for this game, because I don't enjoy it enough to pay for it.

What other aspects keep you playing wow free edition?


I would've had liked to see "Makes no difference” as an option. You need that gray area

 

[Dorigon]

Where is the "Bracket is almost unplayable either way" option?

 

[Junoo]

who the fuck cares, you pay your £8.99 month you have the option to play 20/24, dont pay and you get the lower end of the bracket.

social "bullying" isnt gona solve anything. thus all thread like this end up in flame fests or generally a waste of time

 

[Goesid]

Bla bla ive tried 24 p2p 20 and i finally settled on f2p. But people roll 24 and they have every right to do so. i do agree 10 24s is a little much but this only f2p only bracket is just a fantasy. There are 24s in the bracket. deal with it.

Cya

 

[Stamm]

@ Omgwtfsap: that last quote wasn't even me.