Demon hunter. twink

[WorthANickel]

Having just came back after who knows how many months to see the bracket more fucked up than it was when there were artifact weapons... the answer is don't make a DH you will hate it.

If you are going to FC or "try to play correctly" just make a druid like smart people.

The damage is so silly now that a DH just does not compete... I don't care what gems you have, what weapons you have... blah blah blah... hunters are doing 3x your dps pressing random buttons and as long as Crusader is bugged you are not going to be any use in melee. Taking away the artifact weapons, then having hunters just be able to keep shit like the crow-wing reaper/whatever random busted ranged gun there is just made the gap worse for the rest of the classes.

If none of that matters to you... then sure DH is awesome... you can fly around and eye-beam is just a worse Fists of Fury.

As usual in this bracket/forum I would put the least amount of your attention to "if you play it correctly"... again, nothing is balanced so that statement is more often than not stupid as fuck.

Here's the solution use crusader on your DH cos it's fucking hilarious or just play the class more and get better... doesn't matter who's got what if you're playing your class to the best of it's ability you will make a significant difference whether that's in BGs, WGs, Arenas, Duels or PvE. DH is an incredibly viable class we have huge burst and if you use sader for fun you survive forever and can easily 1v1 most classes. If you're in BGs even better chasing down FCs is loads of fun and can give the rest of your team the 10 seconds it takes to catch up and return the flag if you don't manage or getting to the opposite side of the map to help defend a point quicker than anyone else in your team you're still contributing to the win hunters will basically always top the charts it's been that way for a long time if you're trying to compete for dps with a 40yd class that hits like a truck you need to rethink what you're doing.

 

[JadeFire]

Here's the solution use crusader on your DH cos it's fucking hilarious or just play the class more and get better... doesn't matter who's got what if you're playing your class to the best of it's ability you will make a significant difference whether that's in BGs, WGs, Arenas, Duels or PvE. DH is an incredibly viable class we have huge burst and if you use sader for fun you survive forever and can easily 1v1 most classes. If you're in BGs even better chasing down FCs is loads of fun and can give the rest of your team the 10 seconds it takes to catch up and return the flag if you don't manage or getting to the opposite side of the map to help defend a point quicker than anyone else in your team you're still contributing to the win hunters will basically always top the charts it's been that way for a long time if you're trying to compete for dps with a 40yd class that hits like a truck you need to rethink what you're doing.

So I understand your points:

1) Viable because of an off-class enchant bug... which I do understand... I put that on anything now that has to "hit things".
2) Can fly around
3) Good unless you run into the better classes
4) Decent in class restricted War Games

I get it, its fun... has an eye laser. I play mine all of the time. Any class can "do shit"... its just hard right now and I would rate it down with enhancement shaman.

 

[WorthANickel]

So I understand your points:

1) Viable because of an off-class enchant bug... which I do understand... I put that on anything now that has to "hit things".
2) Can fly around
3) Good unless you run into the better classes
4) Decent in class restricted War Games

I get it, its fun... has an eye laser. I play mine all of the time. Any class can "do shit"... its just hard right now and I would rate it down with enhancement shaman.

It's plenty viable without sader, ele force is still sitting pretty and its the same with enhance both of those classes are amazing and well worth playing you're comparing them to two classes that are currently, for lack of a better word, "broken" they're overtuned for the level and unfortunately we'll always have to deal with that because we twink at such a low bracket, which is why we need to stop comparing good fun classes to FoTM broken classes played by average players who can't stick to a class or two. It'd be much easier to combat the constant influx of people playing overtuned classes for short periods if we organise stuff as a community to make the quality of life better for people playing classes they enjoy, things like PvE speed runs, wargames and arena competitions need to be organised more frequently there's no need for rewards most of us are just here to have fun and do some PvP.

 

[Chizzy]

Dh can be very good if optimized correctly

 

[Fang]

Dh can be very good if optimized correctly

Only DH I have ever seen pulling his own weight in bg had tons of mastery. I don't know if he was bug abusing to pump even more mastery, he's not around anymore.

Don't get me wrong, I too, want to believe that they can be good. The bracket needs more class diversity. The're viable, everything is, but I would not call them good.
If you want to fight your way when the arrows are flying everywhere, you need to look at healer classes (all of them), warlocks, bugged warriors and a few other. All the rest is "just viable".

 

[JadeFire]

I really does feel cheesy putting crusader on everything... but I will admit... its bonkers and at least lets you play the game on the sub-agility-melee-classes.

 

[Kracks]

you lose way too much dmg using crusader over ele force. and for survivability you already have blur and mobility to kite back to healers.

 

[JadeFire]

I've seen guys like Akuma do 80k using icy touch ... and he has 100 agility and just stacks haste/other weird lifegain shit. Sure he has to get healed to do that, but the damage is there regardless of elemental force, I will say that DH has one of the highest skill caps I've seen... but, just suffers from the same problem all other dps has.. you get 2 shot by a hunter... which has nothing to do with skill or not.

I used to have that on my monk before I fucked that up with a miss-level that I can't get fixed, two hammer of the northwinds with icy touch... was a real treat.