Definition of twinking?

Zeruis

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Hello everyone ^^ Im relatively new to twinkinfo, but i was reading around a bit and found a lot of people complaining about the brackets... Back before battlegrounds had xp twinking was getting top of the bracket and the best gear to get an advantage over other people. So twinking was the act of getting way better gear then other people to pvp on. Now that xp is in bgs and you are forced to lock im seeing that people are QQing about unfair pvp. F2P are mad that 24's are in there bgs, 80s are mad that 84's are in there bgs.. Im very confused as to why people are complaining about it when that is what twinking is all about, gaining an advantage over other people ^^ anyone have an explaination for that or am i just being a retard ;P?
 
Well i got some of the same point of view like you but well imo its better to get twinks vs twinks as u get in locked XP bgs but the problem with the xp lock is that the que times is much higher thn it were in tbc and lots of the twinks have simply stopped twinking since the que is to high and hard to get into one.

Another problem is like its to unbalanced imo hunters is a huge problem. Huge range lots of slow lots of survivabilitys and so on.

Hope you can see my point.



Best regards, Behind.
 
To me, twinking is taking advantage of what you have. If all anyone can muster is a 20 and choose to play a hunter for the sheer advantage, then that's twinking to. (Just a bit annoying that there's 5+ more in almost every game.) If you pay for WoW and can take advantage that you have the ability to twink 24, then that's twinking too.
 
80s arent mad about 84s, thats for sure

the only complaints are b/c f2ps are twinking the highest they can and 24s come into the bracket 20s made and use their advantage to tryn just wreck. so yea 24s are technically twinking since the bracket is 20-24, but there wouldnt be a bracket if it wasnt for the f2p movement. you can see it from both sides of the argument really
 
it use to be getting the best possible gear, enchants and proffession, no matter how long it took and how miniscule the difference might seem, at the end of a bracket, so 19 for 10-19, 29 for 20-29 etc.



now with xp locked bgs, everyone in them is a "twink" in some ways, though now a days you hear people say if a twink is geared or not, a geared twink could be seen like a normal twink in the old days, while ungeared twinks are like normal players, though they are closer in strength than the old normal levelers from pre xp off bgs.



In terms of the complaing about the brackets, that is usually more in terms of how balanced they are, which means how one fully geared and well played class stacks up agaisnt another, while skill can make the difference, in terms of 1v1 there are always some classes that just have it easier than others.



for f2p the lvl cap is 20, so they are forced into xp lock bgs in the 20-24 bracket, the complaint you might see is that some p2p players twink at 24, the high end of the bracket, and gear themselves with enchants and gear that isnt available for f2p twinks.
 
It comes down to 1's. Getting gear with 1 more Stamina, 1 more Agility, etc, than the other players. Twinking is really anyone with the best of the best gear (preferably gear much higher iLvL than your toon should normally be wearing). People twink for RP, for PvE, for PvP, Bank toons, etc. In PvP it's "usually" the highest level in the bracket, x4 and x9, thus giving the highest advantage over the bracket. For PvE it's "usually" taking an absurdly low level character and defeating something you should be 1-shot for even looking at it. Anyone could be considered a twink if they go for the best gear/chants/gems at their particular level but some take it to an extreme by spending butt tons of gold and time and effort to get that piece of armor with 1 more Intellect on it as an example. Some use exploits to gain an even higher advantage over their enemies (usually PvP), some don't. But what it really comes down to for PvP is twinks are "usually" the ones that actually take the time to LEARN how to play not only their class, but how to play against other classes. Arena does the same thing, if you suck, your gear does NOT matter, if your good, your gear matters less. This is why it sucks for twink that Blizz has basically screwed us over with XP locked BG's. The only reason we're in that 'bracket' is too many casual PvPers refuse to take the time to learn how to PvP and thus complain constantly to Blizz to nerf this and nerf that, XP locked BG's were an easy fix for Blizz without having to balance anything.
 
Zeruis said:
Hello everyone ^^ Im relatively new to twinkinfo, but i was reading around a bit and found a lot of people complaining about the brackets... Back before battlegrounds had xp twinking was getting top of the bracket and the best gear to get an advantage over other people. So twinking was the act of getting way better gear then other people to pvp on. Now that xp is in bgs and you are forced to lock im seeing that people are QQing about unfair pvp. F2P are mad that 24's are in there bgs, 80s are mad that 84's are in there bgs.. Im very confused as to why people are complaining about it when that is what twinking is all about, gaining an advantage over other people ^^ anyone have an explaination for that or am i just being a retard ;P?
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Bwappo made a good blogpost about this on the old site.



The gist is that when the XP-On/Off system was introduced, the two strains of twinking that already existed diverged between those that twinked to beat upon lesser-geared people, and those who twinked to reach their toon's and player zenith by engaging similarly geared opponents.



Because esp. pre-Battlegroup merge XP-Off queues were iffy (as the majority of twinks geared to beat upon lesser-geared opponents, the second pool was rather small), this forced even those with somewhat less social inclination to curb those tendencies to keep 'pops' going, and other changes to the game made it so that during post-XP Patch WotLK XP-Off Twinks started to get a certain respectability and more maturity: the XP-Off BG's were for 'pro players', the regular BG's the place were griefers went to town with 'Heirloom twinks' (of the recyclo bent or not).



Changes Cata brought however did bring forth that this idea was for a large part a sham, less iffy queues and the Battlegroup merge meant that the whole community aspect started to go down the drain and hard social rules like no GY camping from the WotLK era were more the result of convenience (dickish behaviour leads to longer or non-existing queues) than conviction for too many.



As far as the bracket issues goes:

besides historical/community reasons (e.g. Vanilla/60 twinks had - and still has - a large PvE aspect as well, for quite a few the PvP aspect was more of a break from Raiding than the core reason of being), the sole justification of twinking is that you use options that are at least theoretically open to all other participants in a certain bracket . Ipso facto different account types cause there to be differences, and the differences between Starter Accounts and paid (a.k.a. feed the end-cap Dev team) accounts are so stark that fielding 24's goes entirely against this sole justification, especially because it are the Starter accounts that created the bracket and keep it going.
 
It used to be if you weren't level capped and you stuck around in BGs too long with good gear, people would call you a twink. I never even had a lvl 60 in vanilla, nor the money for the best enchants, but people used to think I was a twink. Although getting help via gold enchants etc, from a higher level character to gain an advantage over the normal player made you definitely a twink.
 
For those who like to know, Blizzard themselves gave in +/- April 2010 on the EU Fora an indication on what they consider twinking, and why it is an issue (at least when meshed with regular players, as is currently the case in e.g. 20-24).



Note that the original link to the quote doesn't work anymore, due to the new EU Forum being launched +/- at Cata launch. Still, it's a handy quote to have with discussions, and imo deserves to be 'carved in stone in one's archive'.



From long-time CM Vaneras on the why of the seperate queues (full quote)::

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We want everybody to have fun in the battlegrounds, and that includes those people who do not twink their characters... and getting steamrolled again and again by twinks is just not fun. Allowing twinks to play in the same Battlegrounds as regular players would be unfair for those who are levelling their characters for the first time, and normal players in general should not be punished for not having the time or resources to spend on gathering the best in slot equipment and top enchants for their low level characters.​

"



Of course the blatant inconsistencies with other design decisions like allowing Enchantable Heirlooms in so-called regular Battlegrounds have been pointed out ever since moments after Vaneras made this statement, but as far as I know Blizz has never updated on this quote nor answered questions about the inconsistencies.
 
Good input on this thread. DeLindsay and especially Tinkerton pretty much said everything I wanted to say, though I'd point out that improving as a player was not the primary motivation for a number of twinkers. They didn't want to stagnate, to be sure -- just that they were more interested in putting a fine polish on gear and professions than learning classes and comps. Old blogpost to which Tinkerton referred: http://www.twinkinfo.com/blog/38/entry-386-how-to-motivate-twinkers-to-improve/



The battlegroup merge had a much greater cultural impact than a lot of twinkers realized, and I think twinkers could make a good argument that community mismanagement of the merge was partially responsible for sending the US 29 and 39 brackets into dormancy. It's also why I think that if leadership emerged in those brackets, they would see a comeback.
 
Bwappo said:
The battlegroup merge had a much greater cultural impact than a lot of twinkers realized, and I think twinkers could make a good argument that community mismanagement of the merge was partially responsible for sending the US 29 and 39 brackets into dormancy. It's also why I think that if leadership emerged in those brackets, they would see a comeback.
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"community mismanagement"



I have to remember that expression, really 'politico' ^^
 
Zeruis said:
Hello everyone ^^ Im relatively new to twinkinfo, but i was reading around a bit and found a lot of people complaining about the brackets... Back before battlegrounds had xp twinking was getting top of the bracket and the best gear to get an advantage over other people. So twinking was the act of getting way better gear then other people to pvp on. Now that xp is in bgs and you are forced to lock im seeing that people are QQing about unfair pvp. F2P are mad that 24's are in there bgs, 80s are mad that 84's are in there bgs.. Im very confused as to why people are complaining about it when that is what twinking is all about, gaining an advantage over other people ^^ anyone have an explaination for that or am i just being a retard ;P?
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You said it yourself in your own post.

Twinking USED to be having the best gear and enchants to roll over undergeared levelers in BGs.

At the current state of twinking I'd say its more fun, you get to fight people equally geared(with exceptions, god damn l2gear&gem) and the PvP is more challenging than it would be to roll over a full team of enemies without gear.
 
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