Defias Vs. Tree Bark
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Druiddroid
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TBJ is good for DPS (more useful stats, more int)
BDA is good for survivability (more armor, agil, stam)
either can be good for cookie cutter, although TBJ would probably be better. that's just an assumption though.
BDA is good for survivability (more armor, agil, stam)
either can be good for cookie cutter, although TBJ would probably be better. that's just an assumption though.
shanker
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most of the hunters i have seen with TBJ are the ones with BoA shoulders with 300hp 15res enchant, 300-450 mining which gains 100 - 500hp, and have AP/crit leg armor hits.
prior to wotlk prepatch it was extremely rare to see a hunter with TBJ because you weren't able to attain 100% AP from intellect in 19 bracket. there were some that would start out with it for extra mana but once OOM they switched to BDA or WT chests
prior to wotlk prepatch it was extremely rare to see a hunter with TBJ because you weren't able to attain 100% AP from intellect in 19 bracket. there were some that would start out with it for extra mana but once OOM they switched to BDA or WT chests
Bansil
OG
treebark is better than BDA statwise. but as an alliance hunter westfall tunic is still your best chest.
BDA -> 11stam 3agi -> 14
westfall -> 5stam 11 agi -> 16 and more AP,crit
TBJ -> 6stam 10int -> 16 to only get more mana, or being horde
and i really do not think hunters wear a TBJ and switch when OOM. weapons can be switched in fight, chests not.
BDA -> 11stam 3agi -> 14
westfall -> 5stam 11 agi -> 16 and more AP,crit
TBJ -> 6stam 10int -> 16 to only get more mana, or being horde
and i really do not think hunters wear a TBJ and switch when OOM. weapons can be switched in fight, chests not.
shanker
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Bansil said:
TBJ can be overally expensive they go for 250-375G on my server.
for the horde if you go with the full "of the fang" set, your AoF chest piece thru the set bonus, gains 10 int. your chest then in a way becomes a 8 stam 10 int with 8 str to use to use or ignore. to top that alliance can get it too if they want to.
items can be switched in between combat, if i'm in a BG and run OOM, i will switch armor pieces that are int/stam to agi/stam.
98% of horde twink hunters i see in 19 BGs including me use BDA, only a few WOTLK twinks have TBJ and when they do, they are grandfathered gatherers, BoA shoulders with enchants, etc. etc.
tbj is still the best in slot for casters, it will not go down not even after 3.1 !
tbj for hunters, i agree only good if you have the rest of the +stam gears. otherwise those people wont hold onto much life !
tbj for hunters, i agree only good if you have the rest of the +stam gears. otherwise those people wont hold onto much life !
shanker
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Bansil said:
the fang gloves are far from gimp they have the highest agility possible for the slot, i and many hunters use them over a set of 4/4 monkey/eagle gloves just as some players use 5 agi forest leather bracers over 3/3 monkey eagle bracers. it's all a matter of how each person plays their player and the gear they choose to reach that affect. belt of the fang is almost deadon even with the deviate scale belt just missing a few points in armor and soon +3 hit.
with 3.1 rolling "the fang set" becomes a viable set. may not be the best...however may not be the worst either. i did a nice post showing some comparisons. i really don't see where a TBJ really trounces any other combo especially if 3.1 goes thru. however if BC leg armors stay in 19 brackets, i will be the first to say a fang set would suck.
http://twinkinfo.com/forums/f4/armor-of-the-fang-hunters-maybe-others-for-t1893/
currently my hunter has to switch as needed:
BDA chest (only chest till i get fang chest)
forest leather bracer
eagle 3/3 bracers
fang gloves
monkey 4/4 gloves
fishing boots
fang boots
feet of lynx
belt of the fang
deviate scale belt
girdle of the blindwatcher
defias belt 18AP
tomorrow i get runs for my fang leggings and chest. had the chest before....vended it
Bansil
OG
3/11 hit to cap. do you really think a fang set is worth ~1,5% overall dmg?
and there will be gloves with 4agi/4hit in 3.1
7hit + spidersilk cloak -> hitcap.
you are right, fang set is not really bad. it is very good...but far from best in slot.
maybe best option for a horde budget twink.
and there will be gloves with 4agi/4hit in 3.1
7hit + spidersilk cloak -> hitcap.
you are right, fang set is not really bad. it is very good...but far from best in slot.
maybe best option for a horde budget twink.
shanker
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Bansil said:
my examples from my fang armor post only show 5 items, so one could put that "spidersilk drape" +4 stam/hit/sp cloak on any example i did on the other thread. still no one set overly trounces any other set.
the 4 agi 4 hit gloves, will be another great consideration for adding hit, there will be many ways to achieve +hit in 3.1, new +5 hit enchant for boots, some BoA items have +hit, new +10 hit elixir/potion, so the 11 hit++ can be easily attained without sacrificing too much agility which also affects % overall damage and minimizing stamina loss. agility, if your gear is has hit specs, of course there are agility scrolls, elixir/potions, etc, to add that back
with all the gear options and impending changes there really are no 2 cookie cutter builds for the alliance or horde. plus there are faction only items that allow alliance only variations like "tunic of westfall" and horde only variations like "screecher belt" and "trailblazer boots".
Bansil
OG
shanker said:
imo in most cases it is the best to get the most stats out of your gear. or the best possible benefit for your gameplay.
hit to boots < minor speed
11stam 20agi 7hit > 14stam 10int 11agi, right?
so westfall+hit gloves+hit belt > 3xfang
for arena the fang set may be viable due to more int/stam. paired with hit from other sources. if you are gaining hit from other sources you can also get:
16stam 8int 15agi (westfall, blindwatcher, monkey)
there is always a little expertise in the fang set, but i don't think it is worth itemization.
besides this, there is no discussion about fang legs and boots. if using BoA shoulders, you can add the belt to gain expertise...or use blindwatcher/screecher -> better stats...or use monkey gloves (BoA shoulder was 4hit, right?)
shanker
OG
Bansil said:
hit to boots < minor speed
-that may be a matter of your opinion, i have +12 agi on my boots now, some
hunters have "surefooted, boar's speed, cat's speed". as for 3.1 nerf, i have
boots with +7agi. as a hunter i have never needed minor speed.
11stam 20agi 7hit > 14stam 10int 11agi, right?
- for my spec i like the one on the right, my first twink hunter was a 29, i was
a agility freak, he was basically a rogue with a bow, with some intellect but
not enough and at that time 100% AP from int wasn't even attainable at
29. that was a wotlk tree change
-- 10 int adds 10AP and 150 mana to my hunter as spec'd now
- hit mechanics affect all players since wotlk pre-patch. in 19 if hit was such
a overwhelming factor, twinks with +10 hit/+10 crit on their fishing boots
would be facerolling other players without it and there would be discussion
on wow forums or other forums about this.
so westfall+hit gloves+hit belt > 3xfang
for arena the fang set may be viable due to more int/stam. paired with hit from other sources. if you are gaining hit from other sources you can also get:
16stam 8int 15agi (westfall, blindwatcher, monkey)
- westfall chest is not a option for me or any horde. i have BDA and today
my hunter got fang chest and legs for more options when 3.1 rolls. if 3.1
does not roll i have no reason to putz around with the fang set at all.
- as for arena at 19, if blizz had a incentive to do it? other than that not my
bag especially with the imbalances in twinking right now...if i get tired with
19 wsg , i go to my 29's or 39 for some AB action.