Dancing Steel vs Mongoose
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Whatgoesup
Lost in Gnomer
This. Just this. It is so good, it's insane. Everything flops after that second Mutilate, on a few rare occasions I had to Envenom, but that's it.
Malanior
Legend
You just said it!
"follows your ambush" this means that your Ambush is lacking at least +15agi (30ap beside crit chance) or 112dmg (if not critted or poison procced) from EF...
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Snack
Salty
Tried it, but I missed 1.5k eviscerates too much
Been around this before... Yes you will miss 30 agi on ONLY ambush, or you will miss out 112 agi on EVERYTHING after ambush. you chose
The Saint
I won't like you
i have no idea what it says on paper about the proc rate of EF.... but have you tried it? it procs as much as poisons, it procs off of poisons, it procs off yellows, it procs off whites, it even procs off throw.
i understand what you're saying about these agi chants, and what i'm giving up for EF. but ATM this enchant is insane. i'm expecting it to be nerfed TBH.
OP
OP
artonkn
aaaaa
Confirmed, throw strat bis.
Snack
Salty
so does DS actually
ofc not as useful..Malanior
Legend
Ever heard about switching weps and macros? ^^
Ridwane
Legend
Aware about GCD ?
Malanior
Legend
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Snack
Salty
But then you'd have to wait for DS proc, while if you just had it equipped when ambushing you would 100% have proc.
Yes are you?....
Malanior
Legend
Snack
Salty
It is a 100% proc rate from the white swing after ambush, try it out if you're so suspicious try it out?
willix
Legend
You have a couple different issues here:
1. Dancing steel has a 2.3 RPPM per weapon, which means that each one will proc it 2.3 times per minute pretty much guaranteed. The proc will give you 62 str/agi for 12 seconds,
2. Mongoose has a variable proc chance per weapon attack, which means that the slower the weapon, the more times it will proc. 1.9 speed weapon will give it 3.8% chance to proc on each hit, while a 2.6 speed weapon will give it a 5.2% chance to proc on each hit. The proc will give you 90 agi and 22 haste for 15 seconds.
Overall, Dancing Steel benefits from the RPPM system by increasing the proc chance every hit in combat where it doesn't proc, which is affected by haste. This increased chance is capped by 10 seconds and resets if no attacks happen after 10 seconds passes.
Mongoose, on the other hand, can proc back to back, it can proc more often than 2.3 times per minute, or it can proc less. The fact that it's random means that there's a chance you see it more often than Dancing Steel, but that chance is not guaranteed. Good luck can favor you, proccing it back to back often, or it can frustrate you, proccing hardly at all over the course of several fights.
However, the amount of the proc (90 agi), combined with the attack speed increase (22 haste), as well as the longer duration (15 sec), gives Mongoose some advantages, especially for classes that really benefit from haste and ToT.
For a rogue, if you're choosing between DS and Mongoose, I would suggest Mongoose, since you hit so hard already, a proc pretty much means you're going to obliterate people.
For a monk, I'm not sure, since their viability is always affected by not having healing buttons or strong teammates. I'd like to think Mongoose is better, simply because of the higher benefit, but more up time might make DS better.
For a feral druid, I'd rather just use 25 agi enchant, since you only have one weapon and that decreases the proc rate of any enchant by half.
Other enchants to consider: Executioner (90 crit rating on proc), Elemental Force (104-120 dmg on proc), Colossus (absorb shield on proc), and Windsong (56 haste or crit on proc).
There may be other enchants to think about too, but I don't feel like going in depth here about them all.
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Snack
Salty
Yes DS has 100% proc from first autoattack after your first special attack.