Vinlann
Legend
So if some of you are veterans to the 80-85 bracket from back in early cata you know who we are probably.
Not the biggest guild but we stay true to who we are and what we aim for.
We haven't exactly been the best in activity & stability but what guild is that starts out who knows not one soul who joins.
I and We have new goals. I say this because if your not on the same page as me you probably won't be welcome here. I am no dictator, but I will not be persuaded easily.
I wrote this in notepad about 3 days ago with some hard thinking over the past 9 months. So here it is. If anything seems out of order or seems a bit odd point it out and I will correct it.
And this....is 100% serious. I am no dick, but I am no pushover.
Not the biggest guild but we stay true to who we are and what we aim for.
We haven't exactly been the best in activity & stability but what guild is that starts out who knows not one soul who joins.
I and We have new goals. I say this because if your not on the same page as me you probably won't be welcome here. I am no dictator, but I will not be persuaded easily.
I wrote this in notepad about 3 days ago with some hard thinking over the past 9 months. So here it is. If anything seems out of order or seems a bit odd point it out and I will correct it.
My Goals for Champions of Ulduar this time around:
Description of what has been happening with CoU and why its had long absences or inactivity.
I will come clean on this one. Let me start back in spring. We were starting off pretty well withs ome dedicated solid members in marh going to early april. I wasn't expecting to move but the landlord made us mov eout asap so I had no warning and had to leave it. This caused financial issues as I had to find a new house within a week and it wasn't exactly affordable. I lived there for about 2 1/2 months before I was able to get out of there and find a more affordable place. I did, fairly cheap and very nice in fact. Anyways, I started cou back up since nobody decided to take up leadership in my absence. It was a bit rougher attempting to start up again but some real progression happened this time. We lasted about 2 1/2 months again when I'd lost my job. Again nobody wanted to take up leadership so it died again.
This is the third and final swing for CoU. I have a way more stable life. I'
m gonna be honest right now. My lease in this place ends on january 17th, I hate my roommates, and I work afternoons-midnight. This guild is going to go under some heavy changes but it will work out...that...is a promise.
As I said, its the third and final swing for CoU. If it fails again with no leadership in my absence if needed, its downright impossible to get members to attend raids with no recruits incoming with months ongoing, or the group just is absolutely terrible...CoU will disband...for good.
I will not say names, but I will say that we have a few vets from all the way back from the first signatures of the guild creation still in the guild and ready to go.
So heres the goals I have in mind. They are descriptive in their own ways:
A) Raiding
Recruitment
C) "Other"
A) Raiding
1. The guild will still be following through gear-progression. I still cant come up with a better term than that over the last 9 months.
2. Raid times will be changed and we will 'attempt' to have 2 permenant groups. Both consisting of mains/alts. The reason being is that we are going to have 2 very distinct & different times for the 2 raid groups. The times for the first group will be 11:30pm - 2:30am thurs/fri/sat. The times for the second group will be 5:30 - 10pm tues/wed. As you can see both groups are different in days and times. Both are intended to be just 10m at the start but are welcomed to grow into 25m.
3. We will be ALOT more strict on attendance, punctuality, and performance.
A. Attendance meaning if you absent for one raid that week, your loot privelages are gone for 7 days total from the moment you step into a raid the next time you attend.
B. Punctuality meaning 10 minutes late and you just lost all lost privelages for the night. Much later than that and you arent welcome to raids that week. The only time we'll have sympathy for any excuse in this manner is if someone just died that was dear to you. We feel we should not be punished for your life, the raid/guild does not revolve around you.
C. Performance meaning if your DPS is absolutely horrid for your class/gear...you will be punished for it. Again your excuse means nothing to us. If a loved one just died...you shouldn't even be raiding that day, I know I wouldn't. We aren't asses about judging your character & skill, but we do know what to expect. Coming from someone who's been playing for a little over 5 years now has the knowledge of what each class & spec can pull in about any situation, also helps that I have raided on every class in the game with just about every spec as well. Again, we aren't going to be asses about judgement, but we do know what to expect in your situation of gear/skill/spec, dont play us for stupid and we won't do the same.
Recruitment
1. We are going to take recruitment more seriously now. Over the last 9 months of being a leader of a guild that was one of the first of its kinds its been a bit difficult to monitor how the community of twinking and wow itself would react. At first it was negative, but it grew on to people and I believe influenced quite a bit in the end.
2. With that being said, we are going to start looking for people who 'fit in' with us. The current members who've been members since the beginning and who have just joined us have grown onto our personalities. Each one of the members here represent themselves in a manner of their own. Thats not to say each one of us are robots (don't even...) who act and talk the same way, but the best way to explain this is back in high school we all had a group of friends. Big or small it made no different, you had each one in the group who was interested in different things, who acted different. Maybe one was the 'ladies man', one might've been a straight A a-hole. One was the nice sweet square. And the last might've been a bowl smoking hippie. That all said, we represent ourselves and we all communicate and think on the same level.
A. I carried that out to long so I'm gonna explain in sections. If you take jokes to lightly, dont understand some of our inside jokes instantly, or are just plain offended by our humor...certainly we wouldn't want to hurt your feelings and we don't want to change for one member of the guild. Sorry, your just not welcome here
B. Plain & simple right here, ages 19+. Any suspicion of you not being that or above age and you will be instantly removed from the guild with no warning. We're tired of monitoring teenagers who have to much going on and to much to prepare for the real world. We're not here to babysit you, we're here to raid with you and expect the same. Being in school (outside of college) means you have to usually go to bed to early...speaking...10pm maybe 11pm. Not all do but for the majority. And the scratchy voices that haven't hit puberty yet. Again, we're not here to babysit you
C. Written applications are gone, for good. We're still going to maintain a good portion of the questions we held, but instead we expect you to have a mic and on ventrilo for your 'interview'. If your mute, deaf, or just can't afford a mic...you aren't welcome here. By all means enjoy the life you have, but we just don't want the difficulties of adapting to yours. Apologies for anyone I offended who might be deaf or mute.
1. I wanted to elaborate on this a bit more. Yes we will expect you to have ventrilo, and a mic. We want to hear, and know who we are speaking to. We expect you to also be on wow, ready to run a few randoms with us with your 80 toon or 85 if we so presume, depending on the situation. If you have an 85 of that class/spec, damn better expect us to have you in our group with that toon in raid finder so we can see how you perform.
2. We'll be watching for things in both ventrilo and in-game about how you react to certain points in the conversation, perhaps maybe I'll make a mistake on purpose in-game either large or small to see if you notice them and how you react. Perhaps I'll strike a conversation with a random pug member that would rather offend a normal person or them to see how you react. I wont tell you how I'll react to certain points in this as I'd basically be giving you the answers to a test now wouldn't I?
3. If at any time theres absolute difficulty obtaining a mic, getting on ventrilo on time, or staying on ventrilo your chances are practically shot. This falls under attendance & punctuality.
4. The entire recruitment process for one member alone will at least take one week to confirm they're included and up to 2-3 weeks if necessary. This may seem like a long time, but the reward for finding great loyal & responsible members is greater than the wait. If this is just something you cannot do, please, save yourself the time and just find yourself somewhere else. This alone proves that if you can up to a week or two waiting for confirmation on joining then you can tolerate wiping 5-6 times on a boss for either stupid mistakes or absolute terrible RNG. It also proves that your mature, stand out from the crowd, and have great patience. This does not mean leave your inbox (in-game or email) unattended for more than 12 hours, but it certainly does mean we expect you to show you actually want to be a part of this guild.
C) "Other"
1. Expanding our views is something we've talked about since week one. This meaning to other parts of the game. When will we will approach 85 content? Are we gonna clear everything in ulduar before we touch ToC? What about achievements? None of this is 100% decided but if you've known about CoU long enough or done some extensive research you'll know what we have in mind so far and most of that hasn't changed as far as what I've written here about clears and achievements.
A. Cataclysm content is something I've thought about expanding to for a few different reasons. One being that being a part of a guild to me means sharing moments in the game in all spectres. From leveling, to pvping, to raiding. Raiding being anywhere from 60-85. This all adding up to the fact that we...will...be forming some max level groups for entertainment purposes. We aren't heading for server first, and it must not conflict with our current goals, which at this time are raiding 80 content. I will be strict about 85 content as much as 80.
B. How we will attempt to cataclysm content by storm is not decided yet. Whether it be doing the same as 80, meaning starting from the bottom of normals-heroics-tier 11 normals - tier 11 heroics - etc. It all seems great, but doing that while 85 content in its current form would be tough. Not to say we wont try it, it will prove to be difficult. In saying that we will only take our most loyal and dedicated members to 85 content and we will have fixed times for one group. These members will and must be the shining descendants of paragon itself (this isn't literal but you get the point).
C. In talking about all this 85 content, we aren't expecting anyone to join just yet. As I said only the most loyal & dedicated members will be taken into our 85 group. Pre-existing experience with us in the 80 bracket (pve not pvp...such a mistaken term) is required and even then its not guranteed. We don't want people to think of this as an elite club or anything, but we certainly aren't going to let it be judged by the ignorrant members who think they immediately have what we expect.
2. PvP is always welcome here, but just remember we are focused at pve. Same rules apply as before. If its raid time in 15 min and your BG or arena is looking to take longer, spare yourself the pain, leave now, and dont be late for the raid. We dont care what your excuse is.
3. Most people on here and in WoW know me for being a push over. To some people I'm not, but most see me as that. That changes, now. As you can see I'm not going to tolerate it anymore for just letting people slide off the guild and let the main tank just go play with his 85 friends because he didn't feel like wiping on what he thinks is an 'easy' boss because he never did it in naxx gear when it was actually difficult back in its current patch cycle. We are weeding those members out as of now and we won't be tolerating anymore. This is why our interview process is taking a dramatic swing.
As you can see we are taking a wild swing here, but we've been wussies and take to much of the communities crap for what we might call 'recruitment'. We aren't here to be your alt parking guild, we aren't here to babysit you and teach you how to play your class. There are websites and training dummies and HELL even the dungeon finder is there too! OMG! So use your resources well, we use ours. We aren't expecting you to be perfect, but we are expecting you to be equivelant if not better than us, cause we know we're not perfect but we know people who can play a hell of a lot better than us as well.
The best way to explain what we're doing is that I'm treating this almost as if it were a business. If you were running a business you wouldn't want to hire some lazy employee who would be late to work 15 minutes every day and have somewhere to be 15 minutes early. You wouldn't want to hire someone who would just say to a customer "Hey my shift ended, sorry he can help you now" or, "Hey the store is closing down, you gotta leave ma'am come back tomorrow and I'll help you." No, if your raiding and we're very close, say one more attempt and the boss is down, we expect you to spare that time to do it. One of the best ways to tell if someone is actually one of these people who will just bail when his shift ends is he will instantly log off in the raid itself right at end raid time. He won't even spare himself the 10 minutes to gem, or enchant his gear at dalaran or a major city. That right there, shows either 2 things. 1) His wife/girlfriend must be really pissed or horny, or 2) He really doesn't care if he's in this guild or not.
I've said enough, This guild is rising from the ashes one last time, and its not going down without a fight, prepare to box with me kiddies, I don't go down to easily.
And this....is 100% serious. I am no dick, but I am no pushover.