Cata further kills twinks here is why...

[Lally]

im willing to bet there will be new boas you can get on your own but blizz doesnt want the old ones helping ppl level, im still getting some for 80-81 on my main. also blizz wants to be built around the casual gamer, im sure with a few 80s doing instances and stuff you could level you guild up eventually.

 

[Twinkytoes]

im willing to bet there will be new boas you can get on your own but blizz doesnt want the old ones helping ppl level, im still getting some for 80-81 on my main. also blizz wants to be built around the casual gamer, im sure with a few 80s doing instances and stuff you could level you guild up eventually.

Yar.. Like, maybe like 2 months b4 expansition, imma buy BoAs for my main so I can level like a cheetah.

 

[Conrose]

My 80's guild will /ginvite me.

Edit: Who says every heirloom will be BiS?

When it comes to balanced sets, Shoulders and Chests have mostly been BiS with the way they are itemized amongst 3 or more stats rather than just 1 or 2 to beat the diminishing returns on Stat iLevel Diminishing returns, trumping most every other shoulder and chest piece in each bracket in raw stat numbers. Caster BoA weapons have largely been BiS for various brackets while Phys. DPS weapons for various brackets get BiS status often due to procs (PoD, SF), odd weapon speeds (PoD also benefits from this), or quest gear itemized for levels appropriate for the mobs of the region in spite of a low minimum level (Master Hunter's Rifle/Bow benefits from this as well).

 

[Omgimarogue]

also blizz wants to be built around the casual gamer, im sure with a few 80s doing instances and stuff you could level you guild up eventually.

i definitely agree with that

as hardcore as the core is, or hardcore twinks are, cata will be built to suit the most casual of gamer - so i'm sure you won't need to be in a raiding guild, and maybe not even a level 85 guild, to get the new BoAs. But i think we need more info before we all panic and join raiding guilds

 

[jailbot]

This seems like it could be win for twinking.

Maybe we could get even more people on the appropriate battlegroups because we could get people who don't want to xfer but still want "BOA" or "Heirloom" item's i should say.

To actually come to ruin. (I am not sure they are looking for more.. but i can not see them wanting to "reduce the amount of activity" just keep bads out. ;3



gah... i rambled...and i didn't punctuate / grammar well. ;3







Ohai: Post200

 

[Coolzo]

I essentially foresee the classic look of a twink changing slightly for each class, respectively. With possible better itemization on existing gear, reforging, guild progression, and just herilooms in general, we will likely be changing almost everything but the Shadowfangs and the goggles/hats.



This also means most people will have to re-enchant some of their current gear, in addition to acquiring a few pieces of brand new gear.



Dang, I like my shiny green and gold armor

 

[Touye]

we got xp off?

 

[jailbot]

......we will likely be changing almost everything but the Shadowfangs....

I'd love to see a better quest mainhand for both factions.

 

[Coolzo]

I'd love to see a better quest mainhand for both factions.

I wish. SFs are such a pain in the ass in so many ways.

 

[jailbot]

I wish. SFs are such a pain in the ass in so many ways.

Trust me I know, I am too young to own a credit card so Xfering is outta the question.

So I was stuck sitting on my realm full of tards trying to get it.

Which is fine because before i started posting in trade. "willing to pay 3K+ for shadowfang" they all thought it was only worth 100G... BUT no one had it.. so it didn't mater.





Basically I never got it..

I don't mind it being BIS oh, or really mh... but I would like there to be a similar but slightly better MH sword or axe... or mace.



or even the exact same...

that way people who have shadowfang already can still use shadowfang for looks if they want. ;3

 

[ArthurianKnight]

Ok the fact is not that twinking will be harder because of guilds, the fact is that anybody in game that wont be in a big guild will just be sucking badly ! that i agree on. and its not just twinks to begin with.



i unfortunately see the game going down for half the people playing this game, not just twinks. let's say you start a guild, nobody wont want to be part of it, for it just starts and thus have nothing yet. people so want to have everything going fast that they will only seek the 4-5 guilds already at maximum and thus its gonna be hard for anyone not in those guilds, may it be twinks or not.



so its not just twinks.

how do you solve that, you create twink guilds now and hold onto it till it comes out which then you just boost it up.



but its not gonna be too hard either, for twink guilds will be more likely then, and actually, will make premades a lot more viable ! i mean if everybody will be neededing a guild for sure, thus twinks guild will have to be an option and no twinks will be guildless anymore.

 

[jailbot]

the whole guild idea is bad... nuff said



only possible goodness is heirlooms for people rolling a twink on a different server than main toon. ;3

 

[Conrose]

Ok the fact is not that twinking will be harder because of guilds, the fact is that anybody in game that wont be in a big guild will just be sucking badly ! that i agree on. and its not just twinks to begin with.



i unfortunately see the game going down for half the people playing this game, not just twinks. let's say you start a guild, nobody wont want to be part of it, for it just starts and thus have nothing yet. people so want to have everything going fast that they will only seek the 4-5 guilds already at maximum and thus its gonna be hard for anyone not in those guilds, may it be twinks or not.



so its not just twinks.

how do you solve that, you create twink guilds now and hold onto it till it comes out which then you just boost it up.



but its not gonna be too hard either, for twink guilds will be more likely then, and actually, will make premades a lot more viable ! i mean if everybody will be needing a guild for sure, thus twinks guild will have to be an option and no twinks will be guildless anymore.

Several problems with this assessment. First off, the top raiding and PvP guilds of most any server is not likely to invite just anyone... this would go double for raiding guilds if Cata Raids Difficulty Curve is upped to at least BC Level with Hardmode Difficulties raised further.



Additionally, the only thing I read of in the guild levelling that seemed really mandatory was the Income Bonuses. People can live without a raid rez long enough to go up guild levels without it while pre-85s really won't find it useful. I've noticed that Guilds deep in raiding rarely invite non-level capped characters that aren't alts of level capped players within the guild.



Additionally, even amongst casuals, there are a wide variety of playstyles and interests... thus dedicated end game guilds are not suitable for everyone, leaving room for additional guilds to rise and level.



When it comes to twinking... it's a different situation. While Casual Twinks as in guild alts could in all likelihood become even more common... organized twinking can find itself at an initial and severe gear disadvantage early in Cataclysm depending on which slots and how well itemized the guild BoAs will be... and if 3.3 and Cata will implement new Badge/Emblem BoAs for slots not yet covered... how they compare with current BiS, and how they compare with new Cata gear. If the guild BoAs are inferior to current or future BiS or at best slight upgrades over second best (Though Shoulders and chests set a precident of blowing second best out of the water), then guild leveling will have only small ramifications on twinking guild creation and levelling to gaining access to the guild BoAs shouldn't be a terrible experience. If they are huge upgrades over current BiS, then yes, the creation and levelling of Twinking Guilds after the first few months would not only be terribly long experience, but also a prerequisite to twinking.



Just gonna have to wait until we can start combing through info from the Cataclysm Beta.

 

[Quelfep]

the whole guild idea is bad... nuff said



only possible goodness is heirlooms for people rolling a twink on a different server than main toon. ;3

You just contradicted yourself.

 

[Quara]

Ok the fact is not that twinking will be harder because of guilds, the fact is that anybody in game that wont be in a big guild will just be sucking badly ! that i agree on. and its not just twinks to begin with.



i unfortunately see the game going down for half the people playing this game, not just twinks. let's say you start a guild, nobody wont want to be part of it, for it just starts and thus have nothing yet. people so want to have everything going fast that they will only seek the 4-5 guilds already at maximum and thus its gonna be hard for anyone not in those guilds, may it be twinks or not.



so its not just twinks.

how do you solve that, you create twink guilds now and hold onto it till it comes out which then you just boost it up.



but its not gonna be too hard either, for twink guilds will be more likely then, and actually, will make premades a lot more viable ! i mean if everybody will be neededing a guild for sure, thus twinks guild will have to be an option and no twinks will be guildless anymore.

you are wrong

 

[Spite]

Trust me I know, I am too young to own a credit card so Xfering is outta the question.

So I was stuck sitting on my realm full of tards trying to get it.

Which is fine because before i started posting in trade. "willing to pay 3K+ for shadowfang" they all thought it was only worth 100G... BUT no one had it.. so it didn't mater.





Basically I never got it..

I don't mind it being BIS oh, or really mh... but I would like there to be a similar but slightly better MH sword or axe... or mace.



or even the exact same...

that way people who have shadowfang already can still use shadowfang for looks if they want. ;3

Or they could just buff the drop rates



I know i've posted about it twice today but i still can't believe they haven't fixed the drop rate of these items after two years. Zzzzz

 

[Flagadin]

I just don't like the idea of yet another "world-changing" Expansion. I worked long and hard to finalize my toon, and when i can start to play it it, some new system get's introduced that makes pure PvE players benefit off it.



That's why i'd rather wait till i know more about the new starting grounds, new available quests and rewards, etc, etc.

Till then it's just worrying, maybe for nothing

So, sit back and enjoy the ride for as long as it lasts, maybe the new exp will bring much good, maybe not. Either way, you gotta deal with it.

that's my opinion anyway.

 

[Conrose]

I just don't like the idea of yet another "world-changing" Expansion. I worked long and hard to finalize my toon, and when i can start to play it it, some new system get's introduced that makes pure PvE players benefit off it.



That's why i'd rather wait till i know more about the new starting grounds, new available quests and rewards, etc, etc.

Till then it's just worrying, maybe for nothing

So, sit back and enjoy the ride for as long as it lasts, maybe the new exp will bring much good, maybe not. Either way, you gotta deal with it.

that's my opinion anyway.

Well, Mmo-Champion made a big habit of working towards posting the end game data and ignoring non-holiday quests in the 1-60 region. We can expect that quest data for the two starting zones will be released by MMO whenever they get some people into the beta, but for the levelling experience between 11-60, we maybe shit out of luck unless we get a few twink players into the beta to give the new questing a try and post any new rewards.