Cata further kills twinks here is why...

Grabco

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This has been mentioned in passing when Cata was first announced but lets really think about this. Of course twinks will ALWAYS adapt but this will make it extremely difficult. Enter- Guild leveling system complete with Guild Heirloom items. This is intended to allow guild memebers to easiliy level up that Tank, Healer, or DPS class that the guild is lacking. However this will require your twink to be tied to a level 85 guild that has sufficient guild progression points to purchase Heirloom plans.



Directly from Cata compilation (Cata forums)

Guilds that use guild currency to purchase profession plans will be able to share any purchased plan with the rest of the guild via a vendor and skill trainer. Guilds are also able to create guild heirlooms; these items bind to the guild so that anyone in the guild will be able to acquire them. Just like the normal heirloom items, guild heirloom items will also scale with level and will support all armor and weapons.



-Current heirloom items are not expected to be updated to support 80-85 and will remain for the 1-80 crowd
 
Please read about how you actually get guild experience below.



Guild Information

a. Guild Experience

- Players can earn guild experience through leveling, reputation ranks, boss kills, Battleground and Arena wins, and profession ranks. The top twenty earners from the guild per day will contribute to the guild experience total.

- With every acquired level, guilds will receive talent points that they can then spend towards their guild talent tree, which affects all guild members in the guild.



You are right about doing bg's but i dont' think a twink guild will be leveling, getting reputation ranks/profession ranks. Not to mention have top 20 earners! We barely have 10 members on let alone 20 members to contribute to talents trees
 
You might be right, but I would be very surprised if a top ranked raiding guild only had to do a few WSG everyday in order to get the guild experience they need.
 
well of course, you won't be able to get to level 20 in a day. It's going to take a long time because no one plays 20 hours straight and win every game. That's why it's going to be a big thing in the twinking world, the higher the guild level, the more EpEEn.



I honestly can't wait :)
 
Have I missed something ? How does the guild leveling system relate to the demise of twinking ?
 
He is implying that top tier guilds who can create the guild BoA's will make the gear of current twinks obselite so people will stop twinking because of it. I personally will begin to play my twinks again when Cata launches, atm I am taking a break from twinking and focusing on just having random fun ingame.
 
First, some are making it sound as if I am saying the demise of twinking is due to the guild leveling system. I am definately not saying that. I am predicting that if a twink is not tied to a guild with sufficient guild currency to buy plans for guild heirloom items they may be selected against. Of course noone knows how the Guild Heirloom items will become available but i'm guessing they will be just as hard to obtain as the current BoA items.



A guild with sufficient leveling/talent points = guild currency = twink gear (new BoA's).



How many guilds will want to pick up a level 19 that refuses to level just so they can get the best twink gear? It is very simply more effort, probably in the form of more money in transfer fees to get your twink into a good guild or guild with your main in order to get the benefits.
 
And some people might RAF (join guild) and level quickly to get to 19. And when you have Re-Rolls coming for your guild, they count too.
 
Deaconator said:
He is implying that top tier guilds who can create the guild BoA's will make the gear of current twinks obselite so people will stop twinking because of it. I personally will begin to play my twinks again when Cata launches, atm I am taking a break from twinking and focusing on just having random fun ingame.
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I would honestly be more worried that having BoAs for every slot would make it too easy to make XP BG Twinks.



New quests that will get released with Cata could in all likelyhood be designed with better itemization (They mentioned Agi+Spi gear specifically) with blues and potentially epic gear that can effectively compete vs BoA gear. Right now there are just too many unknowns and obscures to render effective judgement on the Xpac.
 
Conrose said:
I would honestly be more worried that having BoAs for every slot would make it too easy to make XP BG Twinks.



New quests that will get released with Cata could in all likelyhood be designed with better itemization (They mentioned Agi+Spi gear specifically) with blues and potentially epic gear that can effectively compete vs BoA gear. Right now there are just too many unknowns and obscures to render effective judgement on the Xpac.
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I agree with this comment. I still don't like the idea that you have to stick with a guild/realm to get good potentially BiS gear.



This post was mainly made because I was bored and was going through the Cata forums and noticed something that might effect twinks negatively. There are probably too many unknowns as Conrose mentioned.
 
There are Known Knowns, and known unknowns, but there are also unknown unknowns; things that we don't know that we don't know.



The Known Knowns:



1-60 Zone revamps

New Quest Gear Rewards

Better Itemization with new Quest Gear

Some old Quests/Quest Gear changed/removed

Reforging will allow changing of stats

Worgen and Goblin Racials activated racials are powerful mobility tools

Other Racials to be buffed to about or up to Worgen and Goblin Racial abilities

Guild Levelling

Guild Levelling BoAs



Known Unknowns:



The extent to which many zones will be revamped.

What iLevel will the new Quest Gear will be set at.

What all currently BiS quest gear will get removed

If any less than efficiently itemized quest gear will be revamped

Reforging stat conversion rates

To what extent will current racials be buffed.

Lower level guild levelling limitations.



Unknown Unknowns:



Things that we don't know that we don't know....

Say 'What' again!!! SAY "WHAT" Again!!! I dare you, I DOUBLE dare you muthaf***er Say 'What' one more time!!!
 
Conrose said:
There are Known Knowns, and known unknowns, but there are also unknown unknowns; things that we don't know that we don't know.
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That is going in my sig :cool:
 
Mehh look at vanilla WoW and look ahead to cataclysm... WTF!!! lol things will always change i guess. Just suck it up and go with the flow
 
Crilicilyn said:
Mehh look at vanilla WoW and look ahead to cataclysm... WTF!!! lol things will always change i guess. Just suck it up and go with the flow
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Or quit like a pro



cwutididthar
 
So twinks will have to pay money to get the best gear available?





That's new.





Any item that is released that adds to lower-brackets' overall range in acceptable gear is a good thing. The more Heirlooms around, the more customization is available to us.



Well, available to you guys...I'm content with Ghostly Mantle and Corsair's Overshirt as my 'switches'
 
Grabco said:
First, some are making it sound as if I am saying the demise of twinking is due to the guild leveling system. I am definately not saying that. I am predicting that if a twink is not tied to a guild with sufficient guild currency to buy plans for guild heirloom items they may be selected against. Of course noone knows how the Guild Heirloom items will become available but i'm guessing they will be just as hard to obtain as the current BoA items.



A guild with sufficient leveling/talent points = guild currency = twink gear (new BoA's).



How many guilds will want to pick up a level 19 that refuses to level just so they can get the best twink gear? It is very simply more effort, probably in the form of more money in transfer fees to get your twink into a good guild or guild with your main in order to get the benefits.
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My 80's guild will /ginvite me.

Edit: Who says every heirloom will be BiS?
 
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