Pållynåtor
OG
Are they really balanced w/o the greater inscription?
BoA
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Pållynåtor
OG
I said without the shoulder enchant. Are they nerfing them additionally as well?
Pållynåtor
OG
Yeah. But still, for example, the devout aurastone seems way OP with the combo of stats it has in comparison to what I'd use like gutterblade.
tweedledum
OG
Haven't seen any reports of it, and even then.. I don't see why they would, their stat budgets are quite a bit lower than top-notch blues of equal level!
I think the catch is that they for the most part have useful stats, but that's not really reason enough to change them. ;p
I think the catch is that they for the most part have useful stats, but that's not really reason enough to change them. ;p
Pållynåtor
OG
I'll have to disagree. For example, Devout Aurastone vs. Alternative for shaman heals. BoA wins. BoA Shoulders vs. Talbar. Clear victor.
tweedledum
OG
Remember you're comparing quest greens with items blizzard have stated should scale somewhere around that of a blue of whatever level the item is, it's really no surprise. ;p
Pållynåtor
OG
True, but even if they are blue equivalent, I can't think of any blue for 19s, 29s, etc that are equiv or close to a BoA
tweedledum
OG
I like to look at them as alternatives, or sidegrades if you will. At lower levels I'm sure they'll average above the other items available, but it evens out later on.
It really depends on the bracket you play in, and with that said.. I don't want the items to be changed, they don't offer too much leverage above those without access to the items.
It really depends on the bracket you play in, and with that said.. I don't want the items to be changed, they don't offer too much leverage above those without access to the items.
Zuty
Lord of the Black Flame
I think some of them cannot even compare to other items (Devout Aurastone Hammer is a good example, no other 1h has spell power at 19; safe the The Blessed Hammer of Grace)
But with a few items being changed around Reinforced Woolen Shoulders (Gaining +4 Stam and 5 spell power) is a "poor mans" version of Exquisite Sunderseer Mantle and/or Tattered Dreadmist Mantle.
But as long as you can't slap an insanely powerful chant onto them and toss them to a low level character, I think they are fairly balanced. Keep in mind what you need to do to get them, and even then they may only be slightly better than the alternative.
~Zuty
But with a few items being changed around Reinforced Woolen Shoulders (Gaining +4 Stam and 5 spell power) is a "poor mans" version of Exquisite Sunderseer Mantle and/or Tattered Dreadmist Mantle.
But as long as you can't slap an insanely powerful chant onto them and toss them to a low level character, I think they are fairly balanced. Keep in mind what you need to do to get them, and even then they may only be slightly better than the alternative.
~Zuty
iaccidentallytwink
Guild Master
Conrose
OG
After looking over charts, the BoA shoulders are generally superior to shoulders available per bracket... this is often due to comparing Class focused stats vs less than desirable combinations of stats per classes (A number of things have like physical stats + spirit, or agility + strength leathers).
Weapon wise, for standardized attacks, more often than not, bracket available blues and quest BoPs often far outshine BoAs, or at the least are only marginally better. So far the only exception I've found for this is Upgraded Dwarven Hand Cannon (49) + Rockshard Pellets vs Verdant Keeper's Aim + Vendor Arrows. Now stat stick wise, the Staves prove to be best in slot for a few early brackets, while the dagger is popular for a rogue offhand in many brackets apparently. Bloodied Arcanite Reaper seems to set the pace for a few brackets as long as you don't take procs into account.
Weapon wise, for standardized attacks, more often than not, bracket available blues and quest BoPs often far outshine BoAs, or at the least are only marginally better. So far the only exception I've found for this is Upgraded Dwarven Hand Cannon (49) + Rockshard Pellets vs Verdant Keeper's Aim + Vendor Arrows. Now stat stick wise, the Staves prove to be best in slot for a few early brackets, while the dagger is popular for a rogue offhand in many brackets apparently. Bloodied Arcanite Reaper seems to set the pace for a few brackets as long as you don't take procs into account.
Naturaltalnt
OG
The only thing removing the ability to enchant BoA does is makes them equal with the best obtained quest/drop/instance gear, which IMO is a horriable design flaw by blizzard.
Twinking requires 2 things; money, and know how...with the recent nerf to enchants money is no longer a problem.
This leaves the know how....but what good is know how when BoA is retardedly easy for any 80 to obtain and ship to an alt.
Sure alot of newer twinks that pop up won't have skill and just think they get to roll over lowbies all day...but that just drags down our reputation as a whole.
Twinking requires 2 things; money, and know how...with the recent nerf to enchants money is no longer a problem.
This leaves the know how....but what good is know how when BoA is retardedly easy for any 80 to obtain and ship to an alt.
Sure alot of newer twinks that pop up won't have skill and just think they get to roll over lowbies all day...but that just drags down our reputation as a whole.
Druiddroid
OG
i voted 'yes'
while they may provide minor advantages (such as the pvp trinket providing resilience) they are generally very balanced with other items, often being 2nd or 3rd best amongst the older items for their specific level. i don't have a problem with them other than the shoulder enchants on the shoulder BoAs.
while they may provide minor advantages (such as the pvp trinket providing resilience) they are generally very balanced with other items, often being 2nd or 3rd best amongst the older items for their specific level. i don't have a problem with them other than the shoulder enchants on the shoulder BoAs.
Grabco
OG
Bloodied arcanite reaper (BAR) for 19's seems pretty good, however I think determining if BoA's are better than current gear available has to do with class and race as well. As a human pally in 19's I prefer smites hammer due to the strength and agility but also the human racial. Clearly shadowfang is still the best in slot 1h sword. My personal feeling is that BoA's benefit the classes that can equip the most BoA's in slot. Rogues, warriors, hunters. you may start to see more rogues giving up throat piercers to get the bow or gun. Blizz please make a low level relic for pallies!
Phantom
OG
Generally, in a twink fight BoAs will not make a "noticeable" difference. While they are good to have, and better than equivalent items (at least in the case of 19s), this in no way makes them overpowered. After all, they really SHOULD be better than the average gear, since it takes an 80 a fair amount of effort and time to get them.
Without the enchant, the best twinks will still have these items. But, being completely honest, they will likely not change the outcome of a 1v1, or a premade.
Without the enchant, the best twinks will still have these items. But, being completely honest, they will likely not change the outcome of a 1v1, or a premade.
Conrose
OG
Bwappo said:
At present, I see no occurence of a bracket available Quest, blue or purple outshining a BoA shoulder except in cases of focusing on specific stats (Serpents shoulders would be taken by anyone wanting the highest crit chance available, beating out both Leather DPS pieces in that particular sense). For the weapons, I've been seeing that in alot of cases damage procs push the older items over the BoAs, and in some brackets with some weapons it seems that weapon damage ranges are actually based on best in slot weapon damage ranges for those brackets. Alot of BoA weapons however have lower damage ranges than established best in slots for X9 levels. Often times, the BoAs have less common, but highly desirable stats that older bracket weapons have lacked, such as hit rating or spell power. In some cases, it's really a matter of taste... such as Headmaster's Charge being considered best in slot for 19s and often picked up for 29s.. but if you have the choice between a BoA and a Shadowfang... pick up the Shadowfang.